What on earth is going on in America??

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48275795

How can a supposedly 'civilised' society pass such a retrograde law?

And other states following suit?

The realities of forced pregnancies are pregnant child rape victims being stopped by the police from leaving the country to access abortions, dangerously ill pregnant women not being treated, women who don’t want inductions when there doctor recommends it being court ordered to have inductions and miscarrying women dying of sepsis.

This was the reality in Ireland.

You take these away( and thats what the US wants, not just abortion restriction but to also overturn Roe VS Wade and override all access to BC )and you condemn women to a life of servitude, chained to the kitchen sink and the whims of men who control them their entire lives.

And you do that by fooling (some) women into believing that as long as it happens to other people it's alright then.

The easiest way to oppress people, is to get other people to do it for you, while you get on with life. Ultimately it's what religion was designed for.

"Women have no idea how much men hate them". Germaine Greer

She's 50% wrong with that statement. Plenty of women hate women too.

Sadly DG, your 50 percent may be a bit over but you are right. Internalised misogyny. And it's not improving. Utterly depressing.

She's 50% wrong with that statement. Plenty of women hate women too.

Indeed. Alabama has a female governor who has the power to refuse to approve the law.

It's looking likely she'll approve it.

This is an interesting map.

'There is no state in the country where support for banning abortion reaches even 25 percent. (Data for Progress analysis of the 2016 Cooperative Congressional Election Studies)'

Someone needs to send a few copies of 'Freakonomics' to Alabama.

Quite clear the impact that abortion has on society as a whole.

Idiots.

@agnurse

As a fellow nurse, I think your vehement pro-life attitude is appalling!

It's awful, horrific, saddening, shocking and hateful.

But, I'm not that surprised. Women's rights and equality peaked a few years ago, they are now in decline.

For quite a few years now there has been an undertone of women having got too big for their boots and feminism gone too far.

I predict that in the coming years we are going to see more and more erosion of women's liberation all around the world.

Theresa May has some interesting voting history on abortion, with so much support for the likes of Boris and Jacob Rees Mogg I would not be surprised to see something similar here in the next 20 years.

agnurse, you have a terribly rosy picture of the state care system and adoption. Sure, a sweet little healthy baby with no problems may well get adopted quickly and have a happy life; but what about the baby with problems who may well spend their entire childhood in the care system? What about the adopted child who goes looking for their parents and discovers that their father raped their mother?

My thoughts on the whole issue.

Under his eye.

Acis a few years ago I listened to an interview with a man from Belfast who went in search of his birth mother and found out he'd been conceived through rape. It broke him. It was desperately sad to hear, even though he could in no way be blamed, he felt that in order for him to be born his mother had basically been subjected to mental and physical torture. I can't imagine how awful it would be to live with that knowledge.

so conclusion is all women should be forced to have anyone’s child because we are merely vessels- isn’t that the handmaids tale?!
Fucking disgrace

This has now been covered (finally) on tonights news, I have been shocked at how little coverage there has been so far.

necesitodormirahora, given your views on when life begins, what is your stance on miscarriage? Should every miscarriage lead to an inquest, and should women deemed not to have done enough to avoid miscarriage be criminalised?

I think it’s entirely reasonable to be pro life about your own body but it’s worrying when that belief is enshrined into law by fucking men

The author of this terrifying bill is a female senator, and the governor who will pass it is female too.

We have to accept that in some parts of the world, women are socially conservative. This is what they want.

The canary has been singing at the top of the mine till it lost its voice a long time ago. The creep creep of hate and retrograde behaviour has been going on for years.

Since the alt-right Gamer-gate scandal and the emergence of Infowars, 4-Chan, Fathers for Justice, the ascendency of Fox News, Farage, Trump, anti-immigrant and racist views being given serious consideration on the MSN has been steadily climbing.

The dark forces of the far right have been on the march for some time but as many people didn’t feel personally affected or thought some of these people were funny or were a ‘refreshing change’ from the PC snowflakes, they let it slide or in some cases supported them.

Now we are where we are. When there are groups of people attacking any group of people, even if they’re not your favourite people, you must oppose it. They will never stop there. They go for the lowest hanging fruit first, usually with the support of the more easily led then they start climbing up so it moves from Islam and immigrants to the disabled, sick, poor, single mothers, then women, workers rights, land ownership of the middle classes etc etc.

But back on topic. Every woman living in that state who’s able to should move. Not many men will want to remain in a state where there are hardly any women. Hopefully by the end, the state will just be left with the 25 white men who passed this bill.

Or just enshrined into law at all.

Women are second class citizens and men voting on women’s issues is just woeful.

Why would women move out of a state that enforces the law they prefer? Do you think the women of Alabama have no voice or vote?

The author of this terrifying bill is a female senator, and the governor who will pass it is female too.

Why would women move out of a state that enforces the law they prefer? Do you think the women of Alabama have no voice or vote?

You are taking the opinions of two women and extrapolating them to be the opinions of all/most women in Alabama. That's really dodgy reasoning.

@agnurse - your vision of the adoption system is so positive! Is this based on your own adoption of 5 or 10 children from the care system and your regular involvement with the care of children whose parents have been unable to care for them?

Since you hold the lives of unborn children so dear and are so concerned for them, I'm sure you are even more active in the care of living children. Donations to children's homes, fostering and adoption of children, giving up your free time to donate medical services for children who are disabled - all that and more, yes?

If you don't do all of the above, you're a total hypocrite, by the way.

If you are pro-life, your position is only tenable if you then uphold the values you espouse by taking care of abandoned children and supporting a generous welfare state to help single mothers and parents of severely disabled children.

It's noteworthy that the Republican politicians who espouse the most extreme pro-life views are the very same people who vote against expanded healthcare for low income communities, food stamps, public education, free college or basically anything that could help children without parents of their own to thrive. They're hypocrites and liars.

That's not exactly correct, @MorrisZapp. The overwhelming majority of senators who voted on the legislation were men and overall the most conservative abortion legislation has been pushed by male Republicans. The governor of Alabama is a woman and a Republican and, yes, she may pass the bill because otherwise she will lose the support of her mostly male colleagues but she does have the right to veto it. I hope she does but I imagine the pressure from her party will be too much.

The Republican party is male-dominated and this is largely an issue of men legislating over women's bodies with no idea how women's bodies function. It was the same in Ireland when abortion was illegal there. It was driven by the all-male, celibate Catholic clergy who didn't give two shiney shites for the welfare of women.
25 men passed abortion ban

It's noteworthy that the Republican politicians who espouse the most extreme pro-life views are the very same people who vote against expanded healthcare for low income communities, food stamps, public education, free college or basically anything that could help children without parents of their own to thrive. They're hypocrites and liars.

I agree. They should also provide accommodation for those who are pregnant, as well as vitamins, food support and healthcare. They should also support extensive sex education, including information on contraception and easy access to reliable contraception. Alabama of course supports a stress on abstinence. Many anti-choice groups seem to overlap with those who have a preference for abstinence-only teaching and would prefer that no sex education is provided whatsoever. Not that doing any of these things would legitimate denying the right to choose and bodily autonomy.