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What on earth is going on in America??

878 replies

Nanny0gg · 15/05/2019 10:27

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48275795

How can a supposedly 'civilised' society pass such a retrograde law?

And other states following suit?

OP posts:
Quintella · 15/05/2019 15:56

Actually, the rates of abortion substantially increased after abortion was legalized

A lie.

Countries with the strictest laws on abortion laws have the highest rates of abortion.

agnurse · 15/05/2019 15:56

Did you know there are 36 couples waiting to adopt every 1 baby placed for adoption?

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 15/05/2019 15:56

There can be permanent emotional and physiological consequences, up to and including the inability to carry a pregnancy in the future.

There are permanent emotional and psychological consequences to everything we do. It's called living a life.

agnurse · 15/05/2019 15:56

Did you consider the fact that there are often socioeconomic issues in those countries that contribute to abortion? Consequently, you're comparing apples and oranges.

isabellerossignol · 15/05/2019 15:56

If your 2-year-old develops a very serious illness and requires extensive care, is it a humane and loving thing to smother them so that they won't suffer any more?

It's not humane and loving to smother them, but it can certainly be humane and loving to withdraw treatment and let the illness take its course.

Quintella · 15/05/2019 15:59

Consequently, you're comparing apples and oranges

Says the 'nurse' comparing abortion to smothering a two year old.

isabellerossignol · 15/05/2019 15:59

There can be permanent emotional and physiological consequences

And there are usually permanent emotional and physiological consequences to pregnancy as well, but you keep implying that they don't matter.

So which is it? Does permanent emotional and physical harm matter or doesn't it?

SaskiaRembrandt · 15/05/2019 16:00

Actually there ARE people who want to see post-birth abortion legalized, potentially up to age 2.

There might be, but it's not a mainstream opinion, and is never going to become a 'thing'. So your use of it as an argument is specious.

A fetus is a human being that is growing, taking in nutrients, developing, moving, and has its own unique chemical makeup distinct from the parent.

These are characteristics of an organism.

If a fetus is alive, and it's human, that means it is a human being.

Amoebas are organisms, so is the bacteria that causes bubonic plague. Being an organism is not sufficient to qualify something as human.

A foetus is only alive because if it can use the support system of a woman's body, without that it can not survive. It might have the potential to become a human being, but at the point that it's a blob it can in no way be said to have rights that supersede those of the person it is attracted to.

As I said above, there is no law in either the UK or the US that says a living person can be compelled to use parts of their body to sustain or save the life of another.

Once again, I astonished that someone who claims to be a nurse can be so lacking in understanding of basic biology.

SaskiaRembrandt · 15/05/2019 16:02

Did you know there are 36 couples waiting to adopt every 1 baby placed for adoption?

So. What has that got to do with the price of tomatoes? Do you think women should be compelled to give birth to provide babies for childless couples? How very Gilead of you? Your name isn't Serena Joy by any chance?

SaskiaRembrandt · 15/05/2019 16:06

Actually, the rates of abortion substantially increased after abortion was legalized.

One of the physicians who was a major advocate for abortion admitted publicly that the statistics they gave back in the day were at best, gross exaggerations, and at worst, blatant lies.

They said that there were a million illegal abortions being performed annually, and 100,000 women dying from them. In actuality, there were about 100,000 abortions being performed annually, and about 2500 women dying from them.

You do also know that "safe, legal" abortion isn't always safe, correct? There can be permanent emotional and physiological consequences, up to and including the inability to carry a pregnancy in the future.

Ooh, I wonder why? Could it be that actually the rates of abortions that were known about increased because it was now legal so records were kept?

Actually, despite scaremongering from woman-haters like you, legal abortions performed by qualified professionals are very safe and have a low rate of negative consequences. Certainly much safer than the rusty knitting needle in a back alley that you would like women to return to.

RaptorWhiskers · 15/05/2019 16:06

Did you know there are 36 couples waiting to adopt every 1 baby placed for adoption?
I don’t see how this is relevant? Are you saying that other women owe these complete strangers a baby and should go through pregnancy in order to provide them with one?

And if that statistic is true, then why are there children in the care system who never get adopted? The greatest demand is for healthy white babies and there are lots of babies who don’t get adopted.

SaskiaRembrandt · 15/05/2019 16:07

And there are usually permanent emotional and physiological consequences to pregnancy as well, but you keep implying that they don't matter.

There are more likely to be negative consequences to pregnancy, including death, than to abortion.

Parker231 · 15/05/2019 16:10

A fetus is not a human life. What’s happening to a women’s choice!

necesitodormirahora · 15/05/2019 16:15

@agnurse
I agree with 100% of everything you’ve written here. I find it really hard to articulate why I’m pro-life rather than pro-choice so that really helped. Unborn babies need to be protected.

isabellerossignol · 15/05/2019 16:17

I'm pro life too. Pro choice is not anti life Hmm

ineedaknittedhat · 15/05/2019 16:18

These people must be bloody thick. One in four pregnancies ends in miscarriage, so the police are going to be very busy indeed.

SaskiaRembrandt · 15/05/2019 16:19

I agree with 100% of everything you’ve written here. I find it really hard to articulate why I’m pro-life rather than pro-choice so that really helped. Unborn babies need to be protected.

Are you on glue? It's the only reason I can think anyone would be helped by logical fallacies, misinformation and hyperbole.

SaskiaRembrandt · 15/05/2019 16:20

I'm pro-life too - the lives of women, who as actual human beings, deserve bodily autonomy, not to treated as walking incubators by misogynists.

Fiveredbricks · 15/05/2019 16:21

Men. Men are happening. Men who inherited wealth and status without the education or life experience to back it up.

isabellerossignol · 15/05/2019 16:24

In very conservative religious societies women have no right to refuse sex with their husband, it is his right to have sex with you if he chooses. So 'women just shouldn't have sex' is pretty meaningless in that context.

RoyalCorgi · 15/05/2019 16:25

The thing is, agnurse - I don't care. I really don't care. Boiled down to its basics, this is about weighing up the right of a foetus (or baby, if you prefer) to life over the right of a woman not to have to give birth to a baby she doesn't want. And I come down on the side of the woman.

The idea that you could send a woman to prison because she chooses to terminate a pregnancy is just barbaric.

Oswin · 15/05/2019 16:25

Agnurse so what if there is plenty of people waiting to adopt? How is that in anyway relevant.

Quintella · 15/05/2019 16:25

I agree with 100% of everything you’ve written here. I find it really hard to articulate why I’m pro-life rather than pro-choice so that really helped.

You agree 100% with her lies? Well done.

somecakefather · 15/05/2019 16:25

It is incumbent on women to recognize that sex can lead to babies, no matter how careful you are

Just women?

Ending your child's life because it's not a good time for you to be pregnant is not an option

Yes it is.

Fiveredbricks · 15/05/2019 16:26

@agnurse you need to just go. Seriously. You are disturbing and your views are hideous, backwards and equally disturbing. And god forbid anyone actually believes your utter lies.

For anyone reading this please read up through abortion rights UK.

Everthing this poster is saying is utterly, utterly incorrect.