Places you would never want to go on Hoilday

[JoeyBartonHanson]

Can be anywhere

I will start
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Blackpool (I live in Lancashire)

Anywhere with "Democratic" in the name.

Also Las Vegas.

Fizz, does you son go into every pub in England and declare “he’s the only gay in the village” all the time? There are plenty of gay men in Pakistan and trans men too. Yes, it’s not spoken about publicly. Maybe they’re years behind the U.K, not so long ago it was taboo to be gay in England too if you cast your memory back. But the younger generation are more open minded and accepting and things are changing. You seem very narrow minded and angry against a religion without any information. I bet if you went to Pakistan, no one would give two shits if your son was gay. I’ve seen men walk hand in hand almost every time I went out. Please don’t be rude and disrespectful, I don’t understand the anger in your post.

Also, there are plenty of places in America and Europe where being gay is a taboo too. Not just Muslim countries, so please open your mind.

Dubai

Turkey, Egypt, India

War zones, can't imagine out would be a good holiday. Not a fan of poverty tourism either.

So that rules out most UK cities.

How can you dismiss an entire subcontinent? And Turkey is huge and diverse....

@CottonSock I would say eating and drinking is more on the expensive side, attractions are about the same as London prices. The people have been really friendly but you can see in the buildings around you the damage from the conflict. I am really enjoying it, it's quite arty where we are in Achrafieh and you can see/feel the French influence. I would recommend a visit.

Another who has no desire to go to anywhere where the rules are so strict is spend time worrying about it, terrorist risk areas etc.

So some areas of Africa, hung states, Turkey/ Egypt etc.

Also don't like the idea of the compound AI as someone upthread so accurately described them.

A friend goes to India a lot and although sounds fascinating some of the descriptions she gives are of the poorest areas of big cities in U.K. not my idea of a holiday.

I guess it depends on what constitutes a holiday for you.

I'm happy camping, caravan or hotel. I like to be somewhere I can walk or use oh kid transport. Near a beach and have a swimming pool. I don't do the entertainment type thing and have no interest in listening to people party all night.

But I'm also not that interested in trying loads of different local cuisines and visiting museums etc.

All I need is to be able to wander, eat, chill and read my kindle!

I tend to head to Spain.

But then I was a holiday rep for many years so did lots of travel and exploring then.

MindChange You are the one without any information.

My son is 15 and in his short life in the U.K. has suffered homophobic physical, verbal bullying alongside seeing in the media the homophobia within the Muslim religion. It is incredibly damaging.Such behaviour is illegal and the perpetrators dealt with. Such views are a minority. Within the UK there are many Muslims who don’t have extremist homophobic views. The damage however is lasting.

Moving on to Pakistan. It is illegal to be gay in Pakistan and there are no laws of protection. It is actually a pretty miserable existence to be gay in Pakistan and discrimination is rife.

So no my son doesn’t declare he’s the only gay in the village here as he isn’t and our laws protect him.

It is not rude or disrespectful to avoid places he could be imprisoned ( or worse) for being gay or make him feel that being gay is wrong and he is worthless. I will be teaching him how to research thoroughly before entering any country and unfortunately many Muslim countries are going to be no go places.

Do tell me the countries in Europe and US states where it is illegal to be gay and there sre no laws to protect him and I’ll add those too.

ilga.org/downloads/ILGA_Sexual_Orientation_Laws_Map_2019.pdf

This map is useful. Not seeing much burgundy in Europe or USA🤔

F1zzB1zz, has your son been to Tel Aviv in Israel? They have a hugely accepting and friendly gay community. Their pride week is one of the best.

Many people here are in complete denial about how homophobic many places still are. It doesn’t mean you can’t visit but you definitely can’t be openly gay without at least causing huge offence or worse being arrested.

Sorry, I meant to say ‘some people here are in complete denial’

I know Smoke they have the luxury to be. No way am I teaching my son to hide his sexuality or putting him in danger. Thanks for your recommendation.

Barbados really was very dull

Completely agree. Only destination we would choose not to return to.

I loved Israel visited ages ago but blown away by it. My dad tried to reason with me not to go though as was worried by the terrorism risk which now having kids myself I do get but was incredible trip.

Fizz, does you son go into every pub in England and declare “he’s the only gay in the village” all the time? There are plenty of gay men in Pakistan and trans men too. Yes, it’s not spoken about publicly. Maybe they’re years behind the U.K, not so long ago it was taboo to be gay in England too if you cast your memory back. But the younger generation are more open minded and accepting and things are changing. You seem very narrow minded and angry against a religion without any information. I bet if you went to Pakistan, no one would give two shits if your son was gay. I’ve seen men walk hand in hand almost every time I went out. Please don’t be rude and disrespectful, I don’t understand the anger in your post.

You mean he’d be perfectly okay as long as he didn’t actually tell anyone he’s gay? Oh, that’s fine then - call Thomas Cook and make the booking!

I think you’re the one being rude and disrespectful. If you know so much about Muslim culture, you’ll know the hand-holding you describe is very common in platonic relationships. It’s very different to publicly visible homosexuality.

Some of the gulf states, especially cities like Dubai. I would consider some of them though. A couple of friends went to Iraqi Kurdistan and it sounded fascinating.

Not sure there is a place I'd never go back to, but am in no rush to return to Japan. I didn't hate it, but it just didn't do it for me.

Not interested in Dubai or Australia. Been to Hurghada, Egypt - snorkelling great, but not as good as Maldives, and got horrific food poisoning. Would never go again. Likewise Fuertaventura. Wouldn't bother again.

Went to Turkey once, when looking for Greece but flights didn't fit with what I needed - Turkey recommended by travel agent - went somewhere called Kalkan and was very pleasantly surprised.

Love France. Fancy Austria for a summer family holiday. Also Norway. Hear Krakow and Gdansk are lovely.

"I’ve seen men walk hand in hand almost every time I went out. "

In some countries it's normal for friends of the same sex to hold hands when walking outside so I wasn't necessarily think this means 'a couple'.

@MindChange

You couldn’t be more wrong, in Pakistan it is illegal to be gay, I know a few people who have ‘vanished’ once their families found out they were gay, I have also witnessed people having the gay beaten away. The first thing I did when I gained my British citizenship was th denounce my Pakistani citizenship so I could never end up in that hell hole again.

Yes you will see men holding hands, it’s normal for men to hold hands with friends, family members etc in Pakistan, it isn’t a gay thing.

I’m not even going to get into an argument about this on here. It’s obvious minds are made up due to other reasons. SimonJT, yes, that sounds completely believable . Denouncing your citizenship eh? The word you’re looking for is “renounce”. Surprised you’d get that wrong having gone through the process.

That’s it, take the piss out of the person who has English as a third language for not being perfectly fluent.

Also, shock horror, you can get a form X in Urdu.

@MsTSwift you were by the pool, were you in a bikini? Swimming costume? Bare legs even? That's why they were staring. Egypt is a Muslim country which requires relatively modest dress on women. The waiters were staring at you as a curiosity, the way we stare at tigers in a zoo.

I'm shocked by people saying that the hassle in Egypt/Tunisia was bad enough to make them never return. It does happen, I've spent a lot of time in Egypt, and it's annoying. It's even a bit upsetting.

However, if you wear full length trousers, long sleeved tops (more sensible in harsh sunshine anyway), and cover your hair with a hat or scarf, the hassle reduces considerably.

If you just want to sunbathe, don't go to a Muslim country next time. you're missing the point of Egypt so you may as well be on the Costa del Sol

And for anyone thinking 'why should I have to', well, you don't have to. You also don't have to queue, say please and thank you and hold doors for people.

"I'm shocked by people saying that the hassle in Egypt/Tunisia was bad enough to make them never return."

I'm not at all. Having seen really bad street harassment just in France and Spain in my youth.