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to keep nagging DH over his drinking

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roaringespresso · 12/05/2019 09:17

Very brief background, DH had an accident at work over 2 years ago that has left him in constant pain and depression and anxiety as a result. He was made redundant a few months as a result of the accident. Mentally he is not able to back to work and physically he can no longer do the job he has done for the past 20 years.

His life has changed dramatically and he has become socially reclusive as his injury means he can no longer do the physical things he used to. i.e. hobbies etc. His mental health means he finds it difficult being around others. He is undergoing treatment for all of this and has been told his injury is probably life long.

We have 2 preschool children and I work part time in an admin role. Now he's not working we have to rely on benefits to top up our income. I am looking into studying to gain a qualification in an area I'm interested in as A. we need more money and B. DH is around to look after the children to allow me to study. I couldn't have done this if he was still working the hours he did previously.

The past couple of years have taken a toll on us, understandably. I also have depression and anxiety and have been on medication since being on mat leave with my youngest. I have been trying very hard to get my mental health in a better place and have done this through counselling, better diet and exercise. Along with mindfulness. I know what makes me feel better and I try to stick to this although it is difficult at times and find myself slipping as stress is my trigger.

DH seems unable to help himself in any of these ways and expects a quick and easy fix although, for obvious reasons, this doesn't work!

He's finding it hard being with the kids all day and has always been terrible at managing his time so complains he doesn't have time for himself. I give him lots of advice on different ways this could improve as he does have a lot of time to himself when the kids are at nursery but he doesn't do anything with it.

He's always been a big drinker and it is something I've broached a lot of the years even before the accident. I was too and still have blow outs myself more often than I should however I am no where near where I was and his is getting worse. I've talked and talked to him about this and nothing ever changes.

He says he needs it to help him sleep because of the medication he is on. And also because of the pain he is in. He also says he drinks to make himself numb.

Currently he's drinking heavily probably 5 nights out of 7. He gets very drunk. An example being Tuesday night when the football was on. I came home at 9pm from work and he was very drunk and shouting and swearing at the tv. The kids were awake upstairs in their bed with their tablet. I went straight to my bed as I could not be bothered dealing with him. He drank a litre bottle of (my) white wine and also a litre bottle of his red. He has never drank white wine in the whole time we've been together but has been drinking "mine" lately when he finishes his or if mine has been left in the fridge.

He has since been drunk Thurs, Fri and last night. His excuses for drinking are: he's had a good day, he's had a bad day, he's stressed out, he needs to sleep, the sun is shining, the football is on... The list is endless.

He says he knows he has a problem and he will reduce his drinking and it never ever happens. Not even a slight reduction.

Last night he stopped off for 4 beers after taking the kids to the park. He finished them about 6 and then he made an excuse that he needed to get me something from the shop (that I said I didn't need) and he then said it was for wine. He came back and I said I was going to my bed as I didn't want to spend Saturday night with him drunk so he could be alone and so would I and I hope he enjoyed himself. I said we'd have a word tomorrow about it. He rolled his eyes and said no we won't. Normally he's contrite but last night was the first time where it was if he was thinking "fuck off".

I've told him that I don't like drunk him and I certainly don't want to have sex with him when he's been drinking, nothing makes a difference. We used to have sex a lot and were very close and now I just feel disgust and resentment.

I don't know where to go from here. I feel like I'm nagging him constantly and it's now making no difference!

OP posts:
biscuitfriend · 13/05/2019 23:13

Hello lovely,

You are a brave woman, coming back onto your thread after getting totally scared by the reality of your situation. I really thought you'd got scared off and wouldn't come back on here (wouldn't have blamed you - it's bloody tough what you're facing).

So - massive Flowers to you.

I didn't call the number because we were going to do it together and when you didn't return it gave me a chance to step back from my own situation, but now you're back - shall we do it??

I'm pleased to hear you have emailed him with what you wanted to get off your chest, and have subsequently had a chat with him since you now know you have done everything you can. His response means you now know that you're on your own with looking after yourself and the children. He has made that very clear.

So.

Your children need to live in a different house from him. One in which there isn't an addicted parent - a predictable parent. Which reminds me, in your OP you did say that you used to be a big drinker "...and still have blow outs myself more often than I should" so can you go totally clean in order for the children to have one stable parent? You also said stress is a trigger for your anxiety and depression so you'll need lots of RL support and remember all your positive, nourishing activities like mindfulness that you already have in your armoury by the sounds of it.

Contact Al-Anon for support. Talk to family, friends, GP, work etc about the reality of your situation so people can support you appropriately. You are not to blame.

And keep coming on here.

goose1964 · 13/05/2019 23:22

Your husband is putting his life in danger. As well as the risk from drinking a lot of stronger painkillers react with alcohol.

roaringespresso · 14/05/2019 10:50

I woke up this morning and read all your recent messages. They gave me the kick up the bum to call Al-Anon. Everyone there volunteers and have also been affected by people close to them having an alcohol addiction. I was encouraged to go to a meeting. There is one tomorrow night that I am considering going to. I don't know if I have the courage yet. Also, there are a couple of podcasts on the site I've been directed to listen to.

biscuitfriend I haven't been scared away just yet! And I'm sorry you didn't call because of me - your guilt trip worked! Grin Now it's your turn to call Flowers

I am not ready to leave my husband. I love him and when he's not drinking we have the best relationship. I can't give up on him yet. I don't know where my line in the sand is yet. I don't want my children to have their parents separate. My parents divorced at my eldest's age and it has affected me for life. I promised myself I would never do that to them.

I know you're probably all screaming at the screen right now about the effect my husband's drinking is having on the children and I am thinking about that.

If we separate then they won't have me to look out for them when they stay with him. He will go into self-destruct mode and I am worried he would commit suicide. He is not an abusive drunk, he is jovial and still looks after the children. I am here every evening apart from one night a week when I'm home about 9.30pm. The next day he is up with them and takes care of them.

I can't give up on us yet. The time is approaching though as my eldest gets older and becomes more aware of what's going on. I know that. I feel like I need to at least try first.

I think he needs to talk to his HCPs about it, I think he would for me with some further discussion. He's worried because of the compensation claim that he has in at the moment for the accident and that it could have a detrimental effect on that. I took his lead on that before but now his drinking has escalated to this point.

I am sorry for everyone on this thread who has gone through similar and I really truly appreciate all your input.

I am seriously thinking about what I will do and how I will go about it should he not change his ways.

Surely it's a process for him to change? I don't want to walk away without giving him a proper chance.

OP posts:
Wolfiefan · 14/05/2019 10:59

You don’t want to give up? But he would rather give up on his whole family than give up the booze.
It will affect your kids. You’ve tried. For ages. If he hasn’t listened before why will he suddenly change now?

user87382294757 · 14/05/2019 11:05

Give the OP a break. Both her and her husband have been through an awful time- accident and redundancy as we'll as this. It sounds like the husband is using drink to deal with the pain and fallout from the accident.

I wonder of some counselling and support might help the both of you.

a couple I know- the husband was diagnosed with cancer and had to leave work- school aged children in their case, but he too has started to drinking and become very depressed. They had to move house due to costs.

It is the overall situation leading to drink here not just drink- it is different from him just randomly drinking but due to some serious stuff which has happened.

roaringespresso · 14/05/2019 11:06

Because it's crunch point. Because he risks losing us all now.

OP posts:
roaringespresso · 14/05/2019 11:11

Thank you user87382294757 He is under the psychologist currently who specialises in pain and I am seeing a counsellor for depression and anxiety. This is not as a result of DH. I was on the waiting list for 2 years. I'm worried to speak to my counsellor in case it is flagged as a safe guarding issue because of the children although I am with them a lot of the time too. 4 full days a week, 2 they are at childcare full days and I'm home at about 6pm. 1 day a week I am out about 16 hours.

OP posts:
user87382294757 · 14/05/2019 11:16

You mentioned about benefits (tax credits?) there is something about childcare if the parent is ill. Trying to remember now. We used it when I had surgery a few years ago and then complications. Is your DH claiming cont based ESA or PIP? Maybe that would cover more childcare also. there is also the funding as well. Maybe could cobble together some more childcare for the DC...look at supporting the whole family not just the drink problem but the whole thing. It may be the pain management stuff is not working as well as it could be and if that is sorted he won;t need the drink as much. (from someone who has chronic pain and knows themselves a glass of wine can help).

Graphista · 14/05/2019 11:29

"It is the overall situation leading to drink here not just drink- it is different from him just randomly drinking but due to some serious stuff which has happened."

Every addict has "reasons" why they became addicts - they all have their stories, doesn't change the outcomes.

Op I understand your desire not to make your kids lives harder than necessary but it's the old saying - if you keep doing what you've always done...

Nothing for your dh has changed, you've threatened to leave before and not done it, he has no reason to believe you mean business now.

You need to be clear with him WHAT needs to change "or else I'm leaving". Personally at the very least:

He needs to tell his hcps - because they cannot SAFELY treat him without knowing this, they could potentially be prescribing dangerous meds that they wouldn't be if they knew - that's more likely to have a negative impact on any comp claim than the drinking alone! As long as his drinking had nothing to do with the accident it's irrelevant.

NO drinking when in sole charge of the children, if he can't promise that they can't be left with him

Ideally you'd also say to him:

He signs up with a recovery programme of some kind

Otherwise it's an empty ultimatum and will have no effect.

roaringespresso · 14/05/2019 11:45

Well we've just had another chat and there's no fucking hope. Dick.

OP posts:
Prawnofthepatriarchy · 14/05/2019 12:01

Oh, I'm sorry, OP. How shit. Flowers

Graphista · 14/05/2019 12:25

Well at least you know where you stand now. Get yourself organised and get him gone. No point flogging a dead horse.

Wolfiefan · 14/05/2019 12:38

That’s shit. I’m so sorry. At least you have your answer and can start planning your happier future. Flowers

Blondebakingmumma · 14/05/2019 13:17

Just read your thread OP. I’m so sorry. What a shit situation you are in. Trying to help your husband, who clearly doesn’t want it. It must be so frustrating watching him harm himself and having absolutely no control over it. I’d be devastated if my hubby chose to drink over the risk of losing his family 😢😢
I have no experience with addiction, but many posters have and have given you some great perspective and advice. I’m just here to offer support 💐
I think you know that it’s time to put yourself and your children first, as you husband will not. Please be kind to yourself, you are doing the best you can.

pointythings · 14/05/2019 14:08

I'm sorry, OP. It's the hardest thing in the world realising there is no hope. I recognise so much of myself in your story, except that my DDs are a lot older and no longer need childcare.

My H didn't have an accident, he was just depressed suffered with back pain and had lost his mum. But the causes don't matter, it's what someone does when adversity hits that matters. My H also chose drink as a form of self medication and I also tried to hold things together, tried to talk to him, tried to make him see what he was doing to himself. I tried for 6.5 years.

When I gave him the ultimatum, I meant it and he went into rehab. It failed because he still wouldn't admit it was a problem. So I started divorce proceedings, ended up having him removed by the police after he threatened to kill me and last year he died - alone in a crappy flat in town, unemployed, still drinking.

Al-Anon kept me going through it all, please go.

Not all alcoholics end up like this. Some absolutely do recover. But your H isn't accepting the consequences of his choices, so you now need to protect yourself Go to Al-Anon. Learn to set boundaries and stick to them. Put yourself and your DCs first. Your DH's future is his own to make, not yours.

biscuitfriend · 14/05/2019 19:19

I have just called! I'm going to go to a meeting too. Woman on the phone was very welcoming. Hooray for us.

Just seen your update re second chat. Keep coming back for support if you need it. You got this. Flowers

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 14/05/2019 22:06

Not all alcoholics end up like this. Some absolutely do recover. But your H isn't accepting the consequences of his choices, so you now need to protect yourself Go to Al-Anon. Learn to set boundaries and stick to them. Put yourself and your DCs first. Your DH's future is his own to make, not yours.

You're absolutely right, pointythings. I've been sober for many years but I know plenty of alcoholics who've drunk themselves to death. Not everyone is willing to - or even can - practice the rigorous honesty that long term sobriety requires.

And codependency, the counterpart to alcoholism, is very damaging in its own right. A woman I know has now had two husbands die of drink. And that's an important consideration. A child brought up in a family in which one parent is alcoholic is likely to grow up to be one or the other. OP needs to protect her DC.

Blondebakingmumma · 15/05/2019 00:06

Pointy things I remember your thread. I hope you and your dc are going ok. 💐

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