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To think my mum shouldn't move in with my sisters ex

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familyfallout19 · 09/05/2019 23:34

Trying to get as much info here as I can do not to drop feed. Also nc because this can be outing, apologies if it a long read.

My DSis and her ExDP (I'll call him John) have one DC together, they were together for around 4/5 years. He's quite a bit older than DSis (she's in her 20s and he's in his 40s). After a house they planned to move into fell through my DSis and John moved into my parents with their DS. Also living there was my DSis best friend (I'll call her Sarah) who has lived there as a lodger for years, pays rent and she has become part of the family. My DM has now chosen to separate from my DF, I don't know why but after 30 years of marriage she's decided to split with him. My DF is heartbroken, now on antidepressants and sleeping on the sofa.

My parents then decided to put their house on the market so that they can do their separate ways.

A couple of weeks ago, completely out the blue my DSis finished with John. He was devastated. Dsis then started sleeping in my DMs room with her.

Since then my DM and John have become really close. John was always quite close in our family anyway and I saw him as another older brother (I have an older DB anyway). Since the house was up for sale and two couples have no split the plan was for DF to get his own place, DM and Sarah to get their own place, DSis and her DS to get her own and John to get his own.
The next thing I know DM, Sarah and John are all loving in together. I didn't think too much of it because Sarah would be there too as it would be strange for DM to move in with her exSIL by herself, but I did have my concerns.

The other day I received a message from DF who has highlighted some concerns (the same kind of concerns that I was having) he mentioned how my DM (50) is going through a lot and she's vulnerable aswell as menopausal and he believes John is taking advantage of this. They are both becoming closer. I unfortunately addressed my concerns to my DM earlier which resulted in minor argument. DSis housing application was declined (reasons are not relavent to this thread) I mentioned to my DM that DSis May have to move in with her if she is unable to get a house of her own. DM then replied that she can't as John will be living there, I then explained that he can get his own place so DSis can live with out DM, obviously she doesn't want to live with him anymore as they're no longer a couple. DM got quite defensive and said he's going to be paying her rent which DSis can't do and she needs the money. I explained that her daughter should come first and she just said John is living with her, end of!

She then rang me back a few minutes later and explained that she wants him there as mentally he is helping her and he is her best friend. My DSis, DF and Sarah all think my DM has feelings for John, which I mentioned on the phone to her and said that if anything were to happen it would be really disrespectful on DSis. After a few moments silence she replied saying he's just her best friend, and if anything ever happened in the future so what, my DSis will find someone else and move on and she can make her own decisions. She then said she wished everyone would just leave her alone. She was getting quite upset and I wasn't getting through to her so I ended the conversation there.

DF then messaged me because he's worried as DM isn't acting like herself and he's right, she isn't. This isn't her. She's usually kind, loving, thoughtful. But my DF told me that Sarah saw a side to John that worried her and she tried speaking to my DM about it and DM basically kicked her out. Sarah is now living back with her mum and the morning she left my DM has told her to delete all contact from the family. Sarah had been living there for years.

We are all concerned about my DM and her actions, she is pushing away people that love her and I think John is playing a massive part in it. He's interfered with my parents, thing my DF has spoken to him about in confidence he has gone and told DM all the bad things painting a picture of my dad being a lot worse then he is.

Finally in terms of John paying DM rent in the new house I don't see how he would because my DM gives HIM money.

I don't even know if there is more to add or not. My mind is just frazzled! It's really getting me down, my whole family is falling apart and I hate it.

What do you think of this?

OP posts:
WhenISnappedAndFarted · 10/05/2019 13:30

@familyfallout19 did you ask her what her struggles were Did you offer to help her and be there for her?

Asta19 · 10/05/2019 13:34

my family has always been solid, whereas now they're all falling apart in front of my very eyes

I do understand that you must be devastated about this and wish that things could go back to how they were. For whatever reason (and whether anything physical has happened or not) she has turned to this guy for emotional support. This guy was living with your mum when he was still with your sister so they probably started out as friends (which may still be the case) but they've become closer. I imagine they probably saw each other most days and they're close in age. Obviously we don't know what her relationship with your DF was like but clearly there was something missing. I personally don't think that your mum wanted to cause all this hurt but then (understandably) people are hurt and upset with her which then just pushes her more towards him.

If it were me I would probably arrange to meet her somewhere alone and have a real honest talk about everything. Yes you could all cut her off but then all she'll have left is him so she won't want to lose him. If you can get to the reason why she has done this, then there may be other ways that she can have the sort of life she wants without it tearing the family apart.

Nearlythere1 · 10/05/2019 13:35

A case-study in why close adults should not live together other than partners. Whether that's grown-up siblings and parents, nannies, lodgers etc. Always ends in trouble! Sorry OP that's just a thought of mine, I know it's not advice.

WoahMySocksAreOnFire · 10/05/2019 14:00

I’ll be blunt. Your mum is a selfish bitch.
No she doesn’t have to help your sister but she’s a pretty shitty parent for not wanting to. I could not imagine not offering to house my DD and grandson if they had nowhere to live.

She’s allowed to leave an unhappy marriage, that part is fine. However her closeness with your sisters ex is wrong and weird.

If she has an affair with him then she’s a grade A c*nt in my opinion. It’s sick and immoral to your poor sister.

WoahMySocksAreOnFire · 10/05/2019 14:02

@Nearlythere1

A case-study in why close adults should not live together other than partners. Whether that's grown-up siblings and parents, nannies, lodgers etc. Always ends in trouble! Sorry OP that's just a thought of mine, I know it's not advice

I don’t agree with this. I am currently living with my mum and her partner (in the process of buying a new house) but we’re normal and respect each other’s boundaries. I certainly won’t be trying to fuck her partner Envy

ClaireElizabethBeuchampFraser · 10/05/2019 14:03

I think you are very naive to believe that there is no relationship yet between your Mum and your sisters ex! It is very clear to everyone reading this that a relationship likely started before your Mum separated from your Dad! The fact that the sister and her ex then separated makes this very clear!

I know it must be very difficult to get your head around, but your Mum has betrayed your sister and your Father unforgivably! She is clearly in a very serious relationship, given she would rather see her daughter and grandson homeless, that give up on her live in relationship with John! As things lie they will be snatching time alone together whenever they can, they are clearly looking forward to living together! You need to prepare yourself and your sister, as once they are living together in your Mums new house, this relationship WILL come out!

This is utterly deplorable behaviour and your Mum is not the loving, caring Mother you thought her to be! She is an incredibly selfish and narcissistic woman to put her daughter through this kind of pain! They will very likely cut you all off when they move in together! They have made themselves to be tragic lovers who have to fight the world together.

Your poor sister is going to be utterly devastated when she realises the depth of their depravity and betrayal! She is going to need you! As is your poor Dad! I’m so sorry that you are all in this awful situation, it just goes to show how cruel and depraved people can be in the name of ‘love’.

The two of them are unbelievably cruel, they know that their actions will completely destroy and rip apart your whole family!

diddl · 10/05/2019 14:18

"@diddl the daughter couldn't claim housing benefit if she was living with a close relative."

Ah, thanks.

And maybe now neither her mum, dad-or Op? can afford to house & feed her?

But getting into a relationship with your daughter's ex is pretty awful.

If she needs rent money then Sarah would have lodged with her?

BumbleBeee69 · 10/05/2019 14:22

Why is this 'friend Sarah' your Mothers responsibility ???? Confused

TheHodgeoftheHedge · 10/05/2019 14:31

I think you are very naive to believe that there is no relationship yet between your Mum and your sisters ex! It is very clear to everyone reading this that a relationship likely started before your Mum separated from your Dad! The fact that the sister and her ex then separated makes this very clear!

This and everything else ClaireElizabethBeuchampFraser said with bells on!

Nearlythere1 · 10/05/2019 14:53

@Whoa I agree in the short-term it's ok, but as your standard set up I don't think so. Anything 20s onwards. Adults need independence and privacy. Too many in one household always seems to breed resentments and situations arise that wouldn't have the chance to otherwise.

WoahMySocksAreOnFire · 10/05/2019 15:25

@Nearlythere1 well I’m 32 and have lived with my mum and her partner for nearly 18 months now.
Like I said, respecting each other’s boundaries is all it takes. And definitely no chance of sexual feelings towards each other’s partners Confused

Lizzie48 · 10/05/2019 16:41

In other cultures, extended families live together completely amicably, so it’s obviously not the case that adults can’t live together without it causing resentment. It’s just not the norm in our culture.

Nearlythere1 · 10/05/2019 16:46

I'm not talking about other cultures, i'm talking about ours. Plus, how often do you see posts on here from nightmare cultural family living situations.

In my opinion it's abnormal. That great you're managing it @whoa, do you have a partner who lives with you too?

I find it really tedious when people try use specific examples and situations to undermine a broad observation. Adults need privacy, space, and independence.

WoahMySocksAreOnFire · 10/05/2019 17:25

@Nearlythere1 yes my partner lives here too... and my 2 DC.

I find it really tedious when people try use specific examples and situations to undermine a broad observation. Adults need privacy, space, and independence

No one is saying otherwise. However when you express an opinion as fact such as...
Always ends in trouble!
then you will get people telling you that is not the case. It doesn’t always end in trouble. Only if people aren’t respectful of each other. Making sweeping statements is a bit ridiculous to be honest.

familyfallout19 · 10/05/2019 18:11

Bit of an update here..

I visited my parents earlier, John was at work and DM was out so DF and DSis were both there. I vaguely spoke to DSis about it and before for obvious reasons she didn't like the thought of them living together but no her mind had changed and she has accepted it.

To be honest I have to respect her for that because if DM moved in with my DP after a split I don't think I can be so accepting. Didn't speak much to DF as he was busy preparing dinner at the time.

Sarah has gone and DSis mentioned that she was annoyed with her for getting involved. She lived there for 5 years, spent Christmas with us etc, it's like she became part of the family.
Sarah's reason that was worrying her was that John had been saying things about my DF in order to paint a bad picture of him. For example, telling her that he thought DF had cameras hidden in the house Hmm totally untrue. Also DF would confide in John before all of this and John broke his trust by running to my DM and telling her all the bad things about my DF.

Seems like he defo played a part in ruining their marriage.

This is the reason why Sarah left, because she spoke to DM about John and this worrying side to him and she just wouldn't have it.

OP posts:
LillithsFamiliar · 10/05/2019 20:07

I think you're missing quite a lot of detail because you didn't live with them. It's telling that your DSIS who is more closely involved in all of this, has a different perspective from you and views Sarah's involvement differently even though Sarah was her best friend.
You're very committed to one view of what happened which paints your mum as vulnerable (or a bitch) and John as scheming. Your DSIS' response suggests your view is too simplistic.

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