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to think that it's appalling that society has come to this

292 replies

floraloctopus · 07/05/2019 09:08

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-48119099

The school is described as the 4th emergency service (yes, I know that's the coastguard/lifeboats) as they are providing a food bank service, helping get rid of head lice, running training courses on cooking on a budget, meanwhile they are having to make staff redundant because of budgets.

It shouldn't be like this, children and families are suffering whilst the rich get richer thanks to the government policies which take from the poor and give to the rich.

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nonamesleftatall · 08/05/2019 22:20

I don’t think TV is a luxury.. but I’d sure as hell get rid of one that let my family have no food! Wouldn’t you? When I was growing up (I am only 27). We had the same TV for the my whole childhood. My neighbour had too of the range along with one in the bedroom and a pop stars games console etc..

By ‘these people’ I refer to the people making the subject of the post. What else would you prefer me to refer to them as? I am sure the group of people within society who make up the main subject of this post.

Is it probably more likely that people who jump on people and make a judgement on what type of person I am that is the problem.

I don’t doubt that people are in desperate situations and need help. But we need to work with them to educate them and help them budget and know about meal prep etc..

Not that it is any of your business but I give money to various charities, have fostered a child that was in dire need, have a friend who is a head teacher and regularly donate things, donate to food bank etc..

Maybe if you didn’t bash people on here and respected others people options and everyone worked together the world would be a better place.

Justaboy · 08/05/2019 22:29

I don’t think TV is a luxury

Well some time ago i had to run a small TV rental shop whislt the owner was very ill.

Most all council house occupiers had two or three sets . Private owned sector just the one.

Don't know what that tells you but that was the way it was FWIW!

nonamesleftatall · 08/05/2019 22:31

Justaboy people will probably suggest you giving information based on your factual experience is you being an terrible human.

RickOShay · 08/05/2019 22:39

People are desperate. I volunteer for Homestart, a charity designed to support families with at least one child under the age of five.
The needs I have to meet are almost overwhelming, housing, health, domestic violence, anxiety, depression, additional needs, ability to access appropriate services, the list goes on.
The net is so wide it is practically invisible, people are falling, and nobody is catching them.

HennyPennyHorror · 08/05/2019 22:44

Rick that's an amazing charity....thank goodness for people like you.x

I'm in Australia....left the UK when it seemed like we just couldn't get ahead no matter how hard we worked.

There's poverty here but people aren't left with no money because of sanctions. That needs to change now in my opinion. Sanctioning people with MH problems and sickness....or sanctioning parents with children is hideous.

Justaboy · 08/05/2019 22:46

being an terrible human

Yes guiltyy of many sins, mea cupla!

I was also told that the TV aerial system or getting it working was consideed more important than cooking facilites being installed by a council officer too!

Does that maketh me badder;!? It was bloody true tho! People then as i suppose now were/are addicted to the telly

clairemcnam · 08/05/2019 22:47

I watched a programme about street homeless people being sanctioned for being late for appointments and not applying for enough jobs. Where is the humanity?

Buddytheelf85 · 08/05/2019 22:51

It’s very sad, but it is interesting that this is happening in Great Yarmouth. A very isolated seaside town in a very rural county. Lowestoft has similar problems. Traditionally we think of the inner cities as being the most deprived parts of the country, but that’s not necessarily true.

Bestfootforward1 · 08/05/2019 22:54

"I am always amazed at how our governments scrimp and cut back on school and education".

As long as private schools exiat and all of our politicians send their children to private schools, this will never change.

Bestfootforward1 · 08/05/2019 22:54

*exist

OrangeSunsets · 08/05/2019 23:16

Those that earn the most are supporting those that earn the least. They are supporting those that earn nothing! Blaming the hard working and well paid does nothing to help the situation.

From reading the article it seems that the trial of a new way of paying benefits is to blame in this instance. Nothing to do with how much other people earn it pay.

When people stop being so bitter towards the people that pay the most then they might be more inclined to donate more.

By all means blame the government. Blame the economy for lack of jobs. Blame the system but stop blaming people for having more than you.

There is no excuse for a child to go hungry in the UK. Sadly, it still happens. We need to find the deeper reason and react to that. There should not be a need for food banks.

OrangeSunsets · 08/05/2019 23:19

Bestfootforward1 great idea! Scrap the private schools and let’s have classes if 50+ to accommodate those children currently in private education! Instead of any child getting a decent education let’s give them all an equally crap one!

Or... those that can afford to pay for it do so and the state schools have less pressure and a better budget for a more rounded education for all...

Or, find a way to stabilise the economy and invest more in education.

Don’t choke on your jealous bile.

Justaboy · 08/05/2019 23:21

Buddytheelf85 Yes i had to go there to work for a few days Yarmouth that is the place had an abandoned neglected air about it sad to say.

And Lowestoft I'd expect is much the same but that series was about coastal britain and what its like. I'd suspet there are more places like them

Now no offence here directed at Yarmouth folk either!

HelenaDove · 08/05/2019 23:23

Well im 45 and i used to work for Boxclever (what Granada and Radio Rentals were after they merged. ) and i found it was pretty wide across the board Justaboy.

You can only sell a TV once you do know that right? Its a TV not a homing pigeon.

What happens after that?

HelenaDove · 08/05/2019 23:27

And council /HA contractors ALWAYS tell the truth Justaboy Hmm

Justaboy · 08/05/2019 23:32

Helena : This was around 1980 so somewhile ago now. I know that market has changed a lot over time we did more rental in those days as Colour sets were very expensive compared to what they are these days..

HelenaDove · 08/05/2019 23:32

Albert Steptoe...................when i was seven my dad bought me a homing pigeon.
Harold Steptoe ..............aww that is nice.
Albert ..........and whenever we was hard up we would go down the market and flog it for a tanner.

Harold ..........ahhh

Albert................we flogged that pigeon 523 times before we was tumbled.

HelenaDove · 08/05/2019 23:34

i worked at Boclever in the early 2000s And business was falling as sets got cheaper.

Justaboy · 08/05/2019 23:36

Yes i suspect it was then tho I had no connecteis at that time with the T trade.

Steptoe and son excclent comedy at the time as was Dads army still liike to see that!.

UnPocoLoco2 · 08/05/2019 23:57

Blame Jacob Rees Mogg and his annoying sister acetaminophen or something along those lines.

HelenaDove · 09/05/2019 01:44

www.insidehousing.co.uk/news/news/low-universal-credit-levels-leaving-people-at-risk-of-homelessness-warns-crisis-61344

Low Universal Credit levels leaving people at risk of homelessness, warns Crisis
News
09/05/1912:01 AM
by Nathaniel Barker

The money residents on Universal Credit are receiving through benefit payments is falling behind renting costs in London and putting people across the capital at risk of becoming homeless, Crisis has warned.

The homelessness charity said low Local Housing Allowance (LHA) rates mean Universal Credit claimants cannot afford “the vast majority” of rented homes in London.

In Tower Hamlets, only 2% of two-bedroom rented houses are affordable for small families claiming through the welfare system, according to a report published by Crisis today as it launches a campaign titled Cover the Cost.

No rented rooms in shared housing were affordable for single people under 35 on Universal Credit – who receive lower LHA rates – while just 2% were affordable in Croydon.

People are being forced to choose between paying for food and bills or paying the rent as result of the gap between benefits and rent, Crisis said, while those already homeless find it “near impossible” to secure a stable home

LHA sets the amount of housing benefit or Universal Credit housing element that households in the private rented sector can claim in a certain area.

It is intended to reflect the lowest 30th percentile of local private rents to give welfare claimants access to a portion of the market, but in practice often falls well below the market in more expensive regions.

Cuts to LHA rates since 2011 have meant benefits stopped keeping pace with rising rents, while LHA rates have been frozen entirely since 2015.

A two-bedroom home in Tower Hamlets in the cheapest 30% of the market would still likely cost £56 a week more to rent than provided in benefits to a small family through LHA, Crisis said.

The charity is calling on ministers to restore LHA rates to cover the lowest 30th percentile at the Spending Review

Janice Gunn, director of Crisis Skylight Croydon, said: “We need to see government bring Universal Credit back in step with the true cost of renting.
“This will drastically reduce council spending and will provide greater reassurance to private landlords that people on Universal Credit can afford to pay their rent each month.
“Most importantly, it will stop people becoming homeless in the first place while giving those on the lowest incomes the safe and stable homes they need to build their futures.”
Muhammed Butt, executive member for welfare, empowerment and inclusion at London Councils, said: “The freeze in Local Housing Allowance rates combined with year-on-year rent increases means that fewer and fewer properties are affordable to low-income households in the capital.
“Too often, the result is Londoners going into rent arrears and ending up homeless.
“This is a terrible situation for Londoners to find themselves in. It also puts huge pressure on councils, who take responsibility for those made homeless and ultimately have to pick up the bill.”

A spokesperson for the government said: “Each year we spend around £23 billion to help people with their housing costs

“We have targeted extra funding at low-income households in areas where rents are placing most pressure on budgets, and given local authorities £1 billion since 2010 to further support vulnerable claimants.

“With Universal Credit, housing costs can be paid directly to landlords to help people manage their money and many people take up this support.

“We continue to tackle the root causes of homelessness, committing £1.2 billion of funding so far, as well as building more than 400,000 affordable homes since 2010.

Hmm Affordable for whom?

HelenaDove · 09/05/2019 01:51

Is it probably more likely that people who jump on people and make a judgement on what type of person I am that is the problem.

EXACTLY And yet you are happy to do that to a whole section of society @nonamesleftatall

We had the same TV set from 1979 to 1991 while i was growing up. 1979 was when my parents went from a black and white set to colored.

the only reason they replaced it in 91 was because the previous one broke. That wasnt replaced until 2012 and thats the one they still have

You didnt event that mindset you know.

HelenaDove · 09/05/2019 01:51

#invent

omione · 09/05/2019 06:24

Dont for get the average salary of a Headteacher in the U.K is £50,000 p.a and the average annual pension for a head is £30.000. This is where a large chunk of the Education budget goes, not forgetting very long tem sick pay and high payments for relief staff.

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 09/05/2019 07:17

If people want to live in expensive areas then they need to fund it just like anything else in life they want that costs. Those who don't claim have to live where they can afford, it's just life.

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