Mrs Hinch....perfect prep :-(

[caroline161]

I feel so angry with Tommee Tippee that they've "gifted" her a perfect prep machine. Completely undermines her wish if she wants to breast feed. Plus she's such an influencer how much will this reduce our national breast feeding rates? Pregnant women will go and buy one just because she has one and not give themselves a chance to breastfeed

@BlitheringIdiots

That's completely against current advice. It's the formula powder itself that needs sterilised - not the water. Adding powder to cooled water will do nothing to sterilise it. Compared to your method the PP is actually much more in line with current advice.

I ebf my baby for 7 months and have recently moved to ff. I would give up my car before I'd give up my PP machine. I have only a vague idea who Mrs Hinch is. The PP is hands down the single best gadget I've come across since joining babyland.

Holly

That was the advice 13 years ago and it was what everyone did and no child I know was poorly. I never heated it up. Just gave room temperature. There is no reason to change the guidelines other than to make it more complicated to formula feed IMO

And how do you go out for the day if using the machine? Can't take the machine with you. I used to take the bottles with sterilised water in and the powder in a sterilised container. Mix up when needed and give at room temp. So much easier

I'm only gutted that pp was invented after I had my twins. I would have sold a kidney for one when mine were babies.

That was the advice 13 years ago and it was what everyone did and no child I know was poorly

It's definitely not the advice now, it's basic science that boiling water kills bacteria.

I'm always a bit dubious when people say "we dis formula like that and they were fine". I imagine it's more of a case that, if they did get ill you probably just didn't attribute it to incorrect formula use. It's highly likely unsterilised formula will make a newborn baby ill. It's not like you get an email notification with the reason your baby's ill. Though that would be handy

Eh blithering? You don’t need to make all your feeds in the machine. When you go out you just make them as normal, with no machine

I did it like @BlitheringIdiots. Boiled water cooled to room temp with formula powder added. That's how everyone did it then! Including my friend who was a scbu consultant paediatrician.

Nope no stomach bugs at all. No wastage. Didn't have to throw it away. No need to store in an ice bag. Not limited to going out for 4 hours only.

Guess guidelines change but it's still the advice in Australia

Cheap alternative to PP machine, if you must make it that way...

Cooled boiled water in sterile containers in the fridge.

When you need to make a bottle, add boiling water to the formula to sterilise it.

Top up with cold, previously boiled water, from containers in fridge to the bottle.

Winner!

So none of your FF friends babies ever had upset tummies or stomach bugs once? You have a good memory of your friends' babies experience from 13 years ago.

It's definitely not the advice now, for good reason

Blithering powdered formula can be contaminated with dangerous bacteria, there have been several contamination’s from factories in the last few years (although the risk is small). Once a packet is opened and kept on the kitchen side it’s a pretty perfect environment for bacteria to grow. This is the reason for the guidelines, water of 70degrees will kill anything nasty and ensure babies don’t become needlessly sick. It’s nothing to do with making it harder to ff. PP machines don’t actually always heat the powder long enough or hot enough to ensure all pathogens are killed which is why the NHS don’t recommend their use. All info you need for safe ff is here, this charity is great and impartial.

www.firststepsnutrition.org/making-infant-milk-safely

PassTheCherryCoke the prefect prep made up bottles can only be used within two hours. If going out for the day and assuming your child is on 4 hours feeds then would give you a a maximum of 6 hours out of the house before having to return home.

The original kettle method I used meant could go out for much longer.

That’s what I mean most people make up bottles both ways- using the machine and “manually”- whether by your method or following the guidelines. Just because you have a pp doesn’t mean you use it for each feed! Many people just use it at night and keep it upstairs

Yeah fair enough but you could say that about everything - people used to not use car seats and it was mostly fine but I bet you wouldn't listen to someone who had a baby 40 years ago and said not to bother using one! Guidelines are based on population level stats and research - the fact that you and other people you know didnt have problems (as far as you know anyway!) doesn't mean it's a good idea now.

Like I say, I don't follow current guidelines either as I use the PP machine. And when I go out I just take a flask of boiling water and a container of powder. Easy, but not as easy as the PP!

I'm sorry but that WAS the advice 13 years ago and by not only other mothers, but doctors, health visitors and midwives. And everybody did it that way although some heated it up once mixed, I didn't.

The perfect prep machine is a money making exercise by the baby company. It's perfectly simple to make up bottles without a bit of technology to do it for you.

If I had another child I would do it exactly the same way I did it before.

Perfect preps are bloody brilliant.

I work in influencer Marketing and she will be getting paid a significant fee, not just a freebie given her high profile at the moment. This thread will be used to help measure the success of the campaign and she'll get paid more for the next one as a result as we are all taking about it. I'm not a fan but she seems nice and she's not doing anything wrong.

I believe you blitehring but advice changes when better research is done. I'm sure when my kids are parents they'll be horrified at the guidelines I followed

^this is true. Might be different now but 12 years ago this was how we were advised to do it. Never added boiling water to formula in my life I had twins in nicu.we used ready made bottles there but all the health visitors, paediatric nurses, midwives etc all told us to do it the blithering idiot way.

I’d be more concerned about the amount of chemical cleaning products she uses each day in her house

I do agree with blithering I that I can’t see how a pp is different from just adding a little boiling water to your powder and topping the rest up with cold water though? So it cuts out having to boil a kettle?

Why is it some women feel it’s their job to promote breastfeeding? It’s not. Formula is a valid choice and not something to clutch your breastmilk necklaces over

IceIceCoffee perhaps because it's in their interest to normalise it? Or because, unlike with formula, there's no multi-million pound campaign to promote breastfeeding? Or because it is actually beneficial for more people to breastfeed than it is for more people to formula feed?

What’s a breast milk necklace?

@Tinyteatime agree you could definitely do it yourself with a kettle and just judge how much boiling vs cool water to add. PP adjusts the amount for the size of bottle you make so it's the same temp. every time and you don't have to measure out the water. It's definitely a luxury and not a necessity but it's honestly my favourite baby gadget by a country mile.