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Aibu - he didn’t want our child, now he does?

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Hp737 · 03/05/2019 14:35

I really need some advice and I’m sorry if this is long. Inspired by a recent thread on Aibu..

5 years ago after an on/off thing with an ex, I fell pregnant with my dd. (let’s call the ex Stan).
I loved Stan, prior to the fling/pregnancy we were only together for about 6 months. looking back I was not in a great place emotionally during our relationship and I probably gave him a lot more airtime than I should have but I was in my early twenties and had a lot of issues, among them ptsd/bulimia. He was basically immature and treated me quite badly, cheated on me and we broke up, it hurt me a lot. Anyway Stan and I continued to move in same circles after we broke up and we started to have the occasional hook up at parties when drunk. I think I hoped we would get back together/was drunk a lot and didn’t consider if this was a good idea. Nonetheless I was on the pill and I think because we had been together very recently we (stupidly) didn’t use condoms additionally. We probably had sex 3 different times over about a month and then he blocked me and ceased contact. I found out I was pregnant when I missed my next period.

I contacted Stan to tell him the situation 2 months after I found out. I had accepted there was no future for us before I found out I was pregnant and I wanted to be sure of what I was going to do, I knew he would pressure me to get an abortion and because of the way he had ditched me again, I wanted it to be my decision alone. I knew I was still really subsceptible to Stan and would be influenced by him. I went to an appointment to arrange an abortion but couldn’t go through with it. My eating disorder and anxiety kicked in big time and I felt paralysed, but I began to feel a connection with the baby and decided to keep it. I met up with Stan to tell him and he was furious at me, especially when he found out I was keeping it. I said I didn’t expect anything from him but he had a right to know. He basically told me to fuck off. I continued with what was a very traumatic pregnancy, emotionally supported as far as possible by my family, while I made financial preparations such as starting a new job and changing my accommodation. Stan didn’t contact me. I sent him a message with a photo when she was born but got no reply. When dd was born I got some treatment for my mental health issues, leaned heavily on my family and friends for emotional support, went back to full time work when dd was 7 months old. We managed just about with logistics/money. I sent Stan a photo of her and a quick update when she was 6 months old, he initially said he didn’t want to see her. Then changed his mind, came to see her and was still so angry and blaming at me that I decided not to contact him again. No contact then until she was 2 when I sent him a photo at Xmas and he said he didn’t want to know more or see her. I haven’t tried again since- that was 2.5 years ago now.

I never lodged a claim for maintenance with Stan/the CMA. He started 2 years of drama school the year she was born so was ineligible to pay child support. Also The anger I had seen towards me from him and I guess the hurt I still felt towards him just made me want to never speak to or see him again. Since then through sheer determination I’ve had 2 promotions and pay rises at work, got me and dd a nice flat, and I met my dear fiancé (DF) when she was 1.5, we are getting married in a month. He is daddy to her and shares a lot of her costs with me, his wonderful family have embraced her as one of their own. I feel lucky every day to have made a family and home and good life for dd and for me after my mistake.

Stan will have now finished drama school. No idea what he is doing job wise. I still haven’t lodged a claim for maintenance. I think when things got serious with DF and DD started to get older I just couldn’t bear the thought of giving Stan a foothold in her life to flip flap, poison her against me or disappoint her. Even when I was earning half what I am now I survived without him.
Stan messaged me on Facebook last weekend telling me that he “needed to be involved” with dd, thought about her a lot and wanted to “put things right before it’s too late”. However he also said he still resented me for “giving him no choice” 5 years ago when I decided to keep the baby. He also said he is only a “struggling actor with barely enough to live on” so doesn’t have much money to offer us.

I felt so conflicted on reading the message and just angry really. How can he still be angry at me? I’ve literally never asked anything of him, I’ve respected his choices but this did not extend to getting an abortion to please him. Despite him me and dd are thriving and well. I’m so happy with DF, in the thick of wedding planning and all the joys of raising a little one. Dd is a smart little girl but she has not yet asked about her “real father”, she does not lack for family and love. DF only knows the bare bones of what happened with Stan and he has never pushed for more. The last thing I want is to engage with Stan. For me, it IS too late. Dd has a loving stepdad and a strong mum. I dont think she “needs” Stan even if he feels he has changed his mind. I don’t know what this will benefit my dd. Her biological father is a callous person focused on his acting “career” and has repeatedly rejected or ignored his child, now she is nearly 5 and he wants to be involved? I don’t know how I’d begin to explain this to her, his lifestyle is by all accounts still that of a student and I don’t know anything about him anymore. It’s not even like he can contribute meaningfully financially (by his own admission)- I know this isn’t everything, but my DF has never blinked at providing for my dd and he would be pretty underwhelmed by Stan getting involved in the light of everything. I know it’s not up to my DF but I care about how this affects us all. This is dd’s life, family and sense of security

However all this about how not knowing your real father could fuck you up- I don’t want to fuck her up- I’ve done everything I can for her to have a good life and I just gave up after he wouldn’t engage but things have moved on. She’s ok, we are ok. Why does she need him?

I just want Stan to go away. I know he could petition for a dna test to get on her birth cert, he can knock himself out if he likes, I would highly doubt he would go to the trouble or afford it. I don’t feel the need to facilitate contact, I tried a few times years ago and he was happy to “focus on his studies” (his words) instead of wondering if his child was safe and provided for.

Please please tell me what to do. Aibu to ignore Stans paltry attempt at contact (Facebook really?) and do nothing? I don’t want him around dd. I want his selfish flip flapping arse to just fuck off and accept the consequences of his decision 4,5 years ago.

If he wants to put up a fight then to an extent it’s out of my hands but I do not want to facilitate this or even dignify him with a response.

Please help me.

OP posts:
fargo123 · 03/05/2019 22:10

As soon as you mentioned drama school, the first thing that occurred to me was that he has grand delusions of making it big and he wants to head off any negative publicity about wanting to abort his child and then abandoning her before she was even born.

He's not interested in her. He's only interested in how it would negatively affect him if the situation became public. The chances of him being successful in this career are virtually nil, so the disruption he could bring to her life isn't worth it.

I wouldn't block him, as that could unfortunately come back to bite you later on, but I wouldn't be in a hurry to reply to him now either. I'd just leave it, and see if he bothers to contact you again. I bet he won't.

Ayemama · 03/05/2019 22:10

I have no advice to offer that hasn’t been said already.
Except that you don’t have to rush to do anything. It’s been 5 years.
There is no hurry to decide one way or the other so just ignore the message and think about it for a few weeks or longer if you need to until you know what you feel is right.

You don’t want to react emotionally, so wait until you get your head around it properly.

Sending love your way.

It sounds like you’ve done an amazing job as a mother and your instincts will tell you what is best for your daughter.

Hp737 · 03/05/2019 23:27

Yes he definitely has delusions of grandeur. I had idly thought he might have given up acting (the looks/talent aren’t really there for him to make it big) and I honestly don’t see how he’s changed since last time I spoke to him 2.5 years ago, or even 5 years ago. Which makes me think (like pps) that there is some motive such as a girlfriend behind this. It’s all sickening.

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Herland · 03/05/2019 23:39

Dowser.... That simply isn't true.

BlackeyedGruesome · 04/05/2019 00:09

Take your time to think it over. Any further messages from him will help you decide.

After that I would consider what he is proposing to make it right.

Think about introducing contact gradually with letters and cards first and how he could build up contact given that he is a stranger to DD despite the DNA.

If he means it he will put the effort in. If not he will bugger off.

Ask for maintenance too.

happinessischocolate · 04/05/2019 00:18

My daughter was rejected by him not once but on at least 4 separate occasions by this man

OP he has not rejected your daughter, don't ever let her think that he has, he's immature and he's a dick who's not ready to be responsible or put his child first BUT he hasn't rejected HER

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 04/05/2019 14:39

Dowser...that is errant nonsense.

No court would award residency to a father who had no contact...unless the mother and close relatives were dead...and that would be with close supervision. ...

Please don't write such rubbish ...people may be misled

Jengnr · 04/05/2019 20:46

I think I’d kill him with kindness. Take your time and craft a reply that is seemingly oh-so-reasonable (and thus can’t be used against you) but creates huge obstacles for him that we all know he can’t be arsed with.

‘I’m so pleased that you have now decided you would like to be a part of Doris’s life. As she hasn’t had any contact with you since she was born I feel we need to build up at a pace she can handle. child is five now and will need time to adjust so I suggest letterbox contact to start with, maybe once a month. This will give child chance to get used to the fact you are her biological father and let us have the difficult conversations at her pace.
Going forward we could look at meeting in a few months when she is more prepared. We can discuss hours closer to the time but an hour or so a week at a mutually convenient location seems like a sensible option. Once child becomes more comfortable around you we can consider you looking after her alone for short periods.

We will review the situation on a six monthly basis to ensure child is coping with the changes in her circumstances. She is a happy and well adjusted child and I’m sure you wouldn’t want to do anything to jeapordise that.

Hp737 · 04/05/2019 22:09

I blocked him. I don’t want to deal with this and anything I try and say through that medium will just turn into a bitter epic. If he wants to take this further let him find a way. I am done with making this ok for him.
Thankyou all so so much for all the different views and everything. It also gave me the confidence to talk to df about this and get that real life support. It’s so good to know dd is loved by her family and that this c*nt cannot just waltz back in as easily as he imagines.

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Emily1091 · 04/05/2019 22:40

If he’s really that bothered and serious then he can apply through court, that way you’d know he is serious and there’s less chance of him strolling back out of her life when something else comes up he seems to be more important. You’ve tried lots of times over the years and you’ve had the door slammed in your face every time so don’t let him make you feel like your in the wrong or a bad mum because you’re not. Some people are shits - best of luck

justilou1 · 05/05/2019 02:31

I think you did the right thing. As PP said, if he’s serious he can apply through the courts. He won’t risk doing that because there is a very good chance he will then be asked to be shell out maintenance. He has made it clear that he’s not THAT interested in HER needs.... just HIS!

differentnameforthis · 05/05/2019 05:55

The most important in this is your daughter. What she might need, and want. Only you know that. However,

When I was 5 my dad left following my mother's affair. For the following 10yrs my mother kept him from me. Poisoning me about him, refusing to let him see me, and telling me the whole time that he didn't want me/never showed up to take me for access (in reality we left the house before he as due to arrive). Anyway, my point here is that it killed my relationship with her. I missed so much. And I couldn't forgive her.

Secondly, when she is older and needs to know her medical history, what then? From your brief time with Stan, do you know enough of this family history to answer any questions of a medical nature?

Third, what will you say to her when (if) she grows up to find him and he says he tried to see her? What will your excuse be to her for denying them that chance.

differentnameforthis · 05/05/2019 05:57

Can he tell on FB that you've read the message? Yes, he will be able to see that she has viewed it.*

IAmNOTBent · 05/05/2019 07:40

Yes, he will be able to see that she has viewed it.

Not necessarily if they're not friends or haven't communicated over Messenger before. If it just comes through as a request you can't tell unless you actively click on the (basically something like 'accept message then you will be connected')

KnobJockey · 05/05/2019 07:50

I don't think I would just block him, I think I would tell him that if he wishes to be in DDs life then he needs to go have counselling to accept that it was YOUR choice as your body, and to get rid of his anger. Forget about the money, that is what will harm your DD.

ScreamScreamIceCream · 05/05/2019 08:04

OP ignore the scare about losing residency. As he's disappeared he won't be on the birth certificate so doesn't have parental responsibility, and as he has no money he's unlikely to pay the court to get parental responsibility.

Also don't block and ignore. Tell him you want his details so the CMS can get child maintenance off him and do as PP suggested about stating you want to go to mediation to establish a way of him having a relationship with your daughter in her best interests . Then ask him to suggest a family mediator near you.

He will try and say some rubbish about sorting it out between you but explain that due to his previous behaviour you need to take a more formal approach to safeguard your daughter's best interests. He will then likely disappear until he gets another girlfriend or even wife who tells him he should be in touch with his child . You then just repeat this approach until your daughter is 16 and she can decide what she wants herself.

He may well surprise you and find the money to sort out mediation but leave the ball in his court but I doubt it.

Hp737 · 05/05/2019 08:29

@differentnameforthis sorry to hear about this, it must have been very painful, but your situation is totally different . I can see why you would resent your dm in that situation but at some point my dd will have to appreciate the sacrifices made to bring her into the world and give her a good life, and one shitty Facebook message is just not enough for me to give into Stan and make me into the potential bad guy. He has other ways to contact me if he’s serious and he has the option to petition for a dna test. So far in her life he has had to do sweet FA, spend nothing, and is still expecting me to sort this whim out for him.
Maybe blocking is extreme but even if I unblock now I won’t be replying and certainly not on Fb.

OP posts:
Hp737 · 07/05/2019 14:58

Hi
I have given this a lot of thought. I think I should cover my base by replying but I want to say that it would be far too upsetting to her to facilitate contact at this stage as I don’t understand his intentions or level of commitment, etc. I was going to send a neutral response asking that he disclose (for the first time ever) a full family medical history, and suggest backdated child support for last 4.5 years plus an ongoing payment. However this would be unconditional on his part and I am not content to facilitate access especially without these basics in place.
I’m just so scared to send it in case he somehow uses this as a way to get my dd and I end up in a horrible complicated situation with Stan, unable to keep him from my dd.
I need to show that I was reasonable at every step. I fear her future anger and pain if she feels I blocked him.
What can he do (he’s not on birth cert etc) if he starts paying me? Am I seriously weakening my position?
Help please

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AryaStarkWolf · 07/05/2019 15:04

Block him, he doesn't seem like he would be a positive influence on your DD

flabella · 07/05/2019 15:07

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Hp737 · 07/05/2019 15:14

@Flabella the only concrete thing is he said he wanted to “open a discussion about how this could work”.

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flabella · 07/05/2019 15:47

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Sparkles07 · 07/05/2019 15:57

I would get a note book and write it all down. What he was like, how he responded when you told him you were expecting etc etc.

Add in this latest "attempt" at contact and your reasons why you're choosing to ignore it.

Write about how much you love your dd, and how much she is loved by her soon to be step dad.
Put it somewhere very safe, or ask a trusted friend to look after it.

Ignore Stan, but one day your DD might want answers, and you may not be there to explain.
Speaking from experience xx

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