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to decline a family holiday in favour of my dream job

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sonsnet · 02/05/2019 14:51

Hi all.

First time poster here and not a mum (actually a son raised by brilliant women)! I've ghosted on the AIBU posts for a while now and thought this would be the best place to get advice.

My aunt was recently diagnosed with terminal cancer (less than 2 years left to live)! She recently had a stroke and, through the process, we uncovered that she did not have any of her affairs in proper order (will, finances, etc). There was a very intense period of about a week where I was forced to take time off work to help sort out all of these issues at very late notice, as we feared the worst as a result of her stroke.

She is much better now, though still terminal. She has offered to pay for a family trip to the USA to go to Disney World in September. She told our family about this on one day and the next day was asking us to confirm she could book our flights! I work in the kind of job where I can get annual leave at a moments notice and I've only recently had it confirmed, and she is every day pressuring me and my partner to confirm if we can come. It is all very rushed and already there have been lots of mix ups because things are being booked very quickly.

I am very grateful to be invited and I have already said thank you and that she is very generous (we are a big family). On the one hand, I think it's a very irresponsible spending because I know her finances are not in order and she will be leaving behind my Gran who paid for a big chunk of the house they share and will not be financially stable after she is gone. I have parked all of these concerns, though, because at the end of the day it is her money and she can spend it how she wants.

However, she keeps using her illness as a weapon to guilt people into going. My niece is going into reception in September and might miss her first day of school. My aunt keeps saying that she is terminally ill and that the school should make exceptions. I personally think no child should miss their first day of school but this is not my battle to fight.

I recently mentioned that I can not go for the full duration of the holiday (3 weeks long!) and will only be able to make it for 10 days at most because I cannot take such a long stint out of my job. She again tried to make me feel bad and pressure my job to give me more time off because she is terminally ill. I explained I couldn't do this and offered to organise all my own flights and travel myself because I know it's awkward for her.

But recently I was approached by my manager and basically told I would be stupid not to apply for a job that is coming up and that she is confident I would have a very good shot at getting it. It is a very high profile job and something I have had my eye on since I started my career (I am only 24 and feel like this is a vital stage). Unfortunately the job would start on 2nd September and the holiday takes place for the first 3 weeks of September. I spoke to my manager and the team recruiting for the role and, because of the high-profile and high-intensity nature of the role she feels it is unlikely I would be hired if I needed 10 days off right at the start.

I am now stuck between a rock and a hard place! I see my aunt all the time and I love her dearly, but now I dread telling her about this offer. It really is a very rare opportunity. Not quite once in a lifetime but something like it won't arise for a good few years and my career will probably suffer. Not that it matters, but I am the first in my family to go to university and the only one of my siblings who is in a professional job with a promising career. I have worked so hard to push my career forward and I feel heartbroken that I have to make this decision! No money has been spent on me so far for accomodation, flights or any kind of travel.

Would I be unreasonable to say no to the holiday?

OP posts:
sonsnet · 02/05/2019 16:35

Hi all,

Thanks for your words of encouragement so far. I'm still very torn, on some of your messages:

I am based in the UK.

Going at a different time or a different place - I suggested this straight out of the bat. A cousin of mine and a relative by marriage both have criminal convictions which mean it will be hard for them to get into the US. They have provisionally be approved on VISAs but now stand the risk of being rejected at the gate. My grandfather recently also had a heart attack so cannot fly. These are all things I or others have raised but have been shot down.

Unfortunately the ship has now sailed on changing date or location because my Aunt literally started booking non-refundable aspects (villa accomodation) the day after she announced the trip. This has had lots of negative results. She has only looked at travel insurance for herself today and it is in the thousands to get the kind of cover she needs.

I just feel horrid as I know this is already causing my family lots of stress and I don't want to add to that stress. As others have said, this is actually my idea of a holiday from hell. I don't like amusement parks, I would much rather be in the south of France or somewhere with a bit of history and culture (and much less expensive!).

Money is another thing that worries me. My aunt originally agreed to pay for the holiday, but slowly hidden costs have crept up she is unwilling / cannot pay. So far people have been asked to contribute to hiring cars on the other end, paying for travel to and from the airports, and I am sure other things will continue to pop up. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask people to pay part of their way, but I know for lots of my family they will be unable to afford this and will accrue debt in order to attend. A lot of them feel they will never get this chance again and want to make my aunt happy.

I live in London alone with my partner and although I try to be very frugal I don't have much spare income after paying my rent and bills and I think I will end up spending quite a bit of money I can't really afford.

Thank you all for taking the time to give me advice.

OP posts:
Acis · 02/05/2019 16:35

I also think you should apply for the job and see if you get it. If you get it THEN you can say, I have 10 days leave booked at the beginning of Sept. Any sensible employer is NOT going to lose the best person for the job because of 10 poxy days leave. Plus it's a lot of advance notice plus you're entitled to it plus your aunt is terminally ill.

Seriously, NOT good advice. OP's manager will know a hell of a lot more about the nature of the job in question, and OP's explained that she couldn't take time off at the beginning due to it being a high-profile role and its high intensity nature. If they ask her at her interview if she's OK to start on 2nd September, she can hardly lie. Even if they don't, it's a terrible way to start a new job carrying what sounds like a lot of responsibility, and OP needs to bear in mind she'll have no job security for two years.

Acis · 02/05/2019 16:38

This is getting ever more ridiculous, isn't it? If your aunt can't afford to pay for travel to and from airports, how does she hope to pay several thousand pounds for insurance?

Without wanting to be callous, how sure is she that she'll be well enough to go anyway?

Sennedd · 02/05/2019 16:38

I would be very concerned about your niece missing the first three weeks of school. This is the time when patterns are laid down and she may find a new environment quite bewildering when her peers have made friendship groups and so on. This is not your call but I am surprised the child’s mother has agreed to this. If she is being privately educated and starts later then all well and good. I am another person who thinks you should apply for the job. It does sound as if your aunt, quite understandably, has not thought this through.

sonsnet · 02/05/2019 16:40

Hi Senedd, the childs mother hasn't agreed to this and it is causing quite a lot of strife between her and the father and my aunt!

I came down on the side of her mother (my brothers partner), and I was persona non-grata for a few days...

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WhatWouldLeighAnneTwohyDo · 02/05/2019 16:53

This doesn't sound to me like a holiday that's actually going to happen. In your shoes, I think I might be tempted to just keep quiet until it goes south all by itself. I would not pass up the prospect of your dream job for this. I actually think it's less of a big deal for a 5yo to start school 3 weeks late, although it depends on the 5yo of course.

Horsemenoftheaclopalypse · 02/05/2019 16:54

Yeah....The man lady doth protest too much.

You can put all the nice words you like around it but basically you don’t approve of the choices she’s made, you don’t like theme parks and at the end of the day...
you don’t want to go.

The job is a red herring.

I’m assuming it’s high profile/ well paid as otherwise you wouldn’t be prioritising it.

I’m in London with friends across a variety of sectors and struggle to imagine what amazing non-repeatable job opp this is.
In banking, law, management consulting, medicine, accounting and media/marketing all job opps for people 3 years in are fairly standard...

And I don’t know ANY job they wouldn’t hold for 3 weeks for an ideal candidate

Recruiting for high profile roles can take MONTHS. We have a role open which has been live for 6 months now with no candidate in sight and when we do find them they’ll be on 3 months minimum notice.

Do you actually like your aunt? (Genuine question)
If so, you should go - she’ll be dead soon.

Otherwise crack on and go for the job...

diddl · 02/05/2019 16:55

" I think I will end up spending quite a bit of money I can't really afford."

I would have thought that that is reason enough to say no tbh.

hettie · 02/05/2019 16:55

Job, job, job.... really sorry you're stuck in the middle of this but this is your long term future we are talking about.

dottiedodah · 02/05/2019 16:59

I agree with water and lemon juice ,Apply for the job and see what happens. Alternatively explain to her (kindly), that you would prefer to come for 10 days ,as it is not feasible for you to take any longer from work.I appreciate her illness, but it is very difficult to fit a large family into these plans to suit everyone .You would still be there for the bulk of the trip ,and 10 days is plenty long enough to bond with her while you are there .Good Luck with your job application ,and have a good time in Disneyworld (Terrific fun had 10 days out there when mine were small)

whyayepetal · 02/05/2019 17:04

Hi OP,
Apply for the job, and if when you are successful, treat your aunt to a lovely meal out as a "bon voyage" celebration, to wish her a lovely holiday.

juneau · 02/05/2019 17:07

Given all that you've told us on this thread OP I would tell my aunt right now that I couldn't go. You want to apply for this job, you don't want to go to DisneyWorld anyway, you'll spend a fortune on all the extras you've already mentioned and all the ones that no one has so far thought of (Orlando is really expensive ...), and who the hell wants to go on a gigantic family holiday for 3 wretched weeks when they're 24 years old? Disney can be fun if you're going with DC the right age, but unless you're into amusement parks, rides and general cheesiness I would just say 'Thanks, but no thanks' and ask your family members not to pressurise you to change your mind.

It sounds like this holiday doesn't actually suit anyone and your aunt has been overly hasty in booking without actually considering anyone else. Also - terminal illness and recent stroke? I'd be surprised if any insurance company will cover her to go to the USA, given the potential for her racking up extortionate medical bills. Take a deep breath OP and say no. Then go for the job and book yourself and your DP a holiday that you actually want to go on!

dreichuplands · 02/05/2019 17:10

It seems quite likely that this holiday may fall apart. I would apply for the job at take it from there.
(Private Schools often have longer days and Saturday mornings.)

bridgetreilly · 02/05/2019 17:15

Having a terminal illness does not give anyone the right to start dictating other people's lives. It's absolutely unreasonable of her to assume that you can all take 3 weeks holiday at a specific time, especially with such relatively short notice.

Apply for the job.

Sennedd · 02/05/2019 17:19

Well done for sticking up for your brother’s partner. Starting school three weeks late is a big deal for a child of any age. Someone I know took her son (Year 5) on holiday for the first three weeks of the Autumn term and regretted it as he took a long time to settle back into the school routine. Obviously this is not your decision. It does sound as if this holiday will not be what your aunt expects though, that is, if it goes ahead. It all sounds very muddled.

Linning · 02/05/2019 17:22

I would take the job OP.

I don't know what her prognosis is but 4 months is a long (though admittingly short!) time to plan ahead for when you have an unpredictable terminal disease like Cancer. It's impossible to know how she will be feeling in 4 months time and while it's possible that she might be as energetic as she is now, there is unfortunately a chance that her health might have taken a real hit and that she find herself having to cancel the holiday.

Going to the US with Cancer seem like an absolutely crazy idea anyway, most insurance will refuse to cover her and if they do it will probably cost thousands with still a large co-pay and if she was to try and go without insurance and needed emergency care (or just a simple visit) she could probably end up with bills worth hundred of thousands of dollars that her family would be liable for. You REALLY need to stress that to her, because this is a massive burden to put on her family and to leave behind when she does pass.

I get why she wants a massive family holiday but she isn't thinking it through and someone needs to sit with her and talk about logistics with her. Taking a trip is okay but expecting people to go into debt for it, miss school, and give up on a job are NOT realistic expectations to have.

A trip to Europe or somewhere closer (with cheaper healthcare) seem much more appropriate and enjoyable for all.

juneau · 02/05/2019 17:25

This 'lovely' aunt who is totally irresponsible with money also gets 'nil points' from me for her attempts to emotionally blackmail her family. Having a terminal illness doesn't give you the right to dictate to everyone how, when and where they will spend their money. The thoughtless towards the grandma and her home makes me think this woman is deeply selfish.

blackteasplease · 02/05/2019 17:26

Defo the job.

TraceyLP · 02/05/2019 17:28

Hi OP,
I think if your Aunt has only booked the villa so far she should put a serious pause on it while she thinks it through and prices everything up. Perhaps as you have helped her with finances before you can sit and help her price up everything (even if you are not able to go)
off the top of my head villa(s), car(s), flights and insurance (which you have mentioned) but also park tickets and dining plans. Food and drink is hugely expensive in the park and if none is included will be a big burden to her guests.

My mum took us to Euro Disney and some weeks had free dining plans included (while costing similar to other weeks without) which was a big help to us. While being grateful to be treated we, like you, were worried about other incidental costs.

My friend estimated 3 weeks at Disney Florida cost her (family of 4) about 9K. They probably did everything but it was several years ago. If you price it up with her she may be shocked and realise the villa is only the tip of the iceberg. You could gently say she doesn't need to put herself and everyone under financial strain to spend time with her family and suggest alternatives.

If you don't feel able to go then say this and that you will be very happy to do something more low key together(on another date) and to contribute to the cost e.g. London theatre trip or whatever.

good luck

HappyLife21 · 02/05/2019 17:32

If the employer won’t hold a ‘high profile’ job open for 10 days for the right candidate then there’s something fishy. I have worked in a number of sectors and have literally never come across this.

OutInTheCountry · 02/05/2019 17:32

Pursue the job but go for a week of the holiday if you possibly can?

juneau · 02/05/2019 17:34

Has your aunt looked at the cost of park tickets yet OP?

A quick look on Floridatix for 2019 prices and a 14-day ticket for an adult for the Disney and Univeral parks is £642 per person (£620 for a child). God knows what 21-day tickets would cost.

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 02/05/2019 17:38

If a job can't be held for two short working weeks, then there's something very fishy going on. I wouldn't cancel the holiday for the job you haven't got yet, but I would cancel the holiday for the guilt-tripping, the extra expense, the fact you don't want to go on it in the first place, and a multitude of other reasons.

sonsnet · 02/05/2019 17:46

Hi all. You are all echoing exactly what I have been feeling, so thanks so much for making me feel less like a selfish brat putting myself first.

@Horsemen - I'm sorry you feel like the job is a red herring. Like I said, it isn't my ideal holiday by a long shot, but I would have gone because it would have made my aunt and other family happy just to have me there. It really is with a heavy heart that I am weighing up these options.

To all wondering about the logistics of this holiday: I am exactly on your side. So far she has already booked the majority of flights (not mine and my partners), the villa accomodation, hire cars, and has booked some of the attraction tickets. I have tried on many occasions to ask her to slow down (on one occasion she booked something assuming everyone would chip in without asking everyone and I got a message asking for £70 from me and my partner, when I hadn't even confirmed I was going!).

I share the exact reservations as you all and I suggested very early on we go to Spain to visit Port Aventura: much closer and driveable in the worst case scenario. Unfortunately this fell on deaf ears. I now have a lot of concern about the amount of money sunk into this endeavour, lots of it non-refundable, and the likely eventuality she may not actually be able to attend.

Unfortunately every time I have raised it I have been given a bit of a cold shoulder or simply brushed off all together. I would really like to tell her to stop: but afraid it is past the point of no return and will just cause further grief.

On the job front: without going into too much detail, it is a government job and really a diamond of an opportunity. My manager has not tried to force me out of holiday and has been very realistic with me about it. She has echoed a lot of the advice given above, but because it is a very fast-paced, high-profile area and given the recent chaotic political climate, it is unlikely they will wait for anyone to start if there is a realistic alternative.

This whole situation is causing me a lot of stress and constantly feeling like I am being selfish and ungrateful: so I am really appreciating these messages.

OP posts:
Dana28 · 02/05/2019 17:52

When they are on there deathbed nobody ever wished they had put work before their loved ones.
You are scarcely started on your career yet, other opportunities will come up, or if you really are the best candidate a decent employer would understand you putting your dying relative first.

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