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To find the royal family fascinating?

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MagicKingdomDizzy · 28/04/2019 14:26

Don't want to make this a TAAT, so I'll just say I have enjoyed everyone's observations on the royal family and it's made a boring weekend go much quicker Grin

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Humpy84 · 29/04/2019 02:59

@whizzler hahha I agree and miss Diana. She brought some warm blood to the mix and would have been a wonderful guide to the royal brides. People wonder how she would have dealt with her dimming fame but I think she would have continued to be a media identity. Think she’d have been an icon for young people too, seen as a cool, old school vintage Princess in the vein of Grace Kelly as she got older or perhaps actress Audrey Hepburn with her wisdom, charity work and eternal style. You see the fashion turning to the early 90’s now but Diana was at the forefront of that. She’d be sitting front row at fashion shows with Wintour and I thin older woman (you know the ones that have the money to spend on fashion) would have looked to her as a role model on how to age gracefully and be fashionable as a mature woman. She’d have been making the brave fashion choices at family events, with no courtiers to please or title to live up to.

lyralalala · 29/04/2019 03:12

I think it’s impossible to know what she’d be like as a MIL as the whole thing would be so different.

William and Harry would be completely different so would they even have married the same wives?

Charles would be very different as he’d have been unlikely to marry Camilla.

And who knows what road Diana would have actually gone down.

Humpy84 · 29/04/2019 03:22

And i think her history, bravery would have been revered by the #metoo movement and younger women would have been fascinated by her story.

Perhaps I’m a bit too sentimental on this subject but I have never been one for conspiracy theories. Having said that I cant help but think there are too many unanswered questions to her death. I read through some of the enquiry news stories and documents, witness statements a while back and it seemed to be missing too many answers and quite a superficial thing. I feel it was a token guesture to quash the media and public’s questions.

As I’ve gotten older I realise how naive we are and how far sort the law and media falls. The world really is, at the end of the day, run by powerful figures and money. The kindergarten narrative we are fed by the media is just that.

Firstly, I think the testimony of the former MI5 agent was not given enough credence. It was quite specific and said that the Fayed security/driver could have been an informant as security at top hotels often were. He also said mi5 often went undercover as paparazzi.

There was talk that Diana was monitored by secret service and that the Fayed driver had extra money.

Driver’s blood alcohol was through the roof and there was also traces of carbon monoxide in his blood. It’s all a bit strange as he didn’t seem intoxicated and where was the carbon monoxide from ?

The flash in the tunnel was never accounted for or full explored, nor was the fiat uno.

The ambulance took an extraordinary period of time to take her to hospital DESPITE the French protocol of delivering medical treatment at the scene. There seemed to be inadequate communication with the hospital about possible injuries and a discrepancies after reading the ambulance doctors testimony.

British surgeon testified that time was lost in the ambulance. Yes, French protocol is different but it is still unusual that a woman with low blood pressure and cardiac arrest wasn’t treated with more urgency. I think it should have been obvious and communicated to the hospital she had internal injurie but this was a point of contention or confusion.
In the inquiry it said that many doctors would have had to be involved in her death, but I disagree. It was really just her treatment in the ambulance that compromised her and had the biggest impact.

Diana wore seatbelt even wearing couture gowns, all the time, I think her seatbelt was faulty or there is something odd about it all.

Most importantly, and the reason I began to think this was a conspiracy in the first place, is that it happened shortly after her impact on land mines. It wasn’t just her work with land mines but her alleged involvement in politics regarding land mines. There were many news stories before her death of disgruntled MP’s saying that there should be consequences for her political involvement. Certain MPs and politicians were said to be very put out by her influence. It all seems very convenient that she dies shortly after this. If you think of the enormous power, money behind the arms industry and the politicians they have in their pockets. I cant be certain of this in the UK but we recently had a scandal in Australia where the NRA in USA was promising millions to politicians.

A QC Barrister in the UK said that Diana was at risk because of her secret dossier of names to do with the arms/landmines issue.

What are the chances that, even if you’re anxious or paranoid, you predict your death and how someone is conspiring to kill you in a car accident ? What motivation did Dodi Fayed’s Dad have to pursue justice if there was no reason to be suspicious ?

I think there are too many unanswered questions. Most suspicious of all is that the enquiry focused on questions like whether she was pregnant. I think this was a red herring to keep the public interested and placated. I dont think it was neither here nor there, the real question was whether there was political motivation to have her killed. Of course this question is useless because the powers behind organisations that carefully plan assasinations would be above the law and investigation.

Humpy84 · 29/04/2019 03:26

@lyralalala I think you underestimate the man who once said he wished to be a tampon inside Camilla. I’m not sure that kind of desire can be easily quashed. Think the pair would have been together marriage or no marriage, secret or not.

Yes, many variables, we cant ever predict how it would have been but I was saying what she would be like as an individual and a mother in law if still alive. There are a lot of ‘ifs’ but I think its nice to ponder what a beautiful woman like Di would have been like in the second half of her life that was cut far too short.

lyralalala · 29/04/2019 03:41

@humpy84 I didn’t say Charles and Camilla wouldn’t be together, I said they wouldn’t be married.

I think that would have seen a very different Charles to the one that’s there now. I think there’s a good chance he’d have been angry and resentful at not being able to marry Camilla. Especially if Diana could just publicly do whatever she wanted; with whomever.

The extra closeness he built up with William and Harry as a single parent wouldn’t have happened. They’d have been caught between two parents still, possibly quite competitive parents.

All of that tangled together would have given a very different Charles, William and Harry to the ones we have now.

Humpy84 · 29/04/2019 03:51

@ lyralalala but the boys were at Eton with both parents sharing custody and long stretches shooting at Balmoral. Diana had a life of her own, would have possibly ended up with a second family, husband or life of her own overseas. Either way she was not a woman who wanted to sit at home doing nothing. She loved her sons but she had a life of her own. She also respected their place as heirs and the importance of royal training, functions etc. They were always going to have a relationship with their father and the royals. I do not think she would have forever been pining over Charles or dragging him into the mediator the two would have been competing. She’d have done whatever was in the interest of her public profile and looked to be moving on with her own life and very independent.

I don’t think Charles would have had the profile he has now or be married to Camilla. I agree things would have turned out very diffferently. Having said that, according to you gov his approval/popularity is less than 50% so I’m not sure he will be king or even gain the popularity he so longed for.

Humpy84 · 29/04/2019 03:52

* long stretches such as holidays shooing at balmoral

Humpy84 · 29/04/2019 03:54

I have a theory by the way that we all assume its Rose at the centre of this controversy but that’s quite blinkered. How do we know its not her (possibly, nothing is impossible) bisexual husband and it was the three of them in an affair or just the husband. It’s entirely possible.

ItsalmostSummer · 29/04/2019 04:00

This thread is funny. Why can’t MM be discussed but anything else can. That’s confusing.

Humpy84 · 29/04/2019 04:34

Well she can be discussed but towards the end, a barrage of posts came up about really intense, far out allegations that have only been on the internet. We suspect it was either royal fans deliberately posting to get the thread deleted or that MM press team are on the case. It is probably that they monitor the internet and websites for mentions of her name.

Humpy84 · 29/04/2019 04:34

@ItsalmostSummer

CurlyWurlyTwirly · 29/04/2019 05:45

@Humpy84
That is a very good summary of what I have read about the inconsistencies around Diana’s death. There is an Australian investigative journalist who has written volumes about the cover up.

Al Fayed was mocked and derided as he knew the truth and had the resources to investigate. In the end he gave up, sold Harrods and has left the UK.

Rosa Monckton was said to be MI5 who was planted as Diana’s friend to get close to her. We only have her word that Diana had her period on holiday. Diana’s body was embalmed from the waist down.

Diana had the fling with Dodi to make Hasnat Khan jealous. She fell out with her mother at the time because her mother asked her why she kept going out with all these Muslim men. I think also the risk that the heir to the throne could have Muslim half siblings wS a big no no to the establishment

Daisypie · 29/04/2019 05:49

@Humpy84
Great theory that Cholmondely was more than a chum.

Mummylovesbags · 29/04/2019 06:13

I’m way too invested in MN royalty. I joked to my husband that he told me to take a break from law studies and this is his fault. His said, “I didn’t tell you to have a break from being normal though”. I don’t care who criticises my royal obsession. Everyone has their vice/guilty pleasure and after reading this thr as it’s a fairly tame/savoury one to have.

@CurlyWurlyTwirly so interesting especially about the Monckton character. That wouldn’t surprise me, I don’t think people realise that MI5 are hugely powerful & their “business” is going undercover and it’s not a game or Sherlock Holmes that Journalists or Legal professionals would have a hope of uncovering. They have informants in all sorts of industries and the ability to recruit all sorts of operatives with skill sets and experience in various fields.

Yes, the embalming thing was absurd. Just too many raised questions. Well never know.

I am interested to read the book and will do some digging.

It’s so interesting about the Muslim issue. I think that sort of racism must surely be the courtiers or certain male eldest royals.

Thisismadness · 29/04/2019 06:54

I don’t think the Muslim issue is surprising when you consider the RF still can’t marry or become Catholic. Same thing but with added racism (or just simply that Islam is even more ‘other’). Ultimately though I don’t know how much power they would have had against Diana if Dodi or Hasnat were who she wanted to be with.

Gennz18 · 29/04/2019 07:03

This thread and its predecessors are some of the funniest things I have read on MN.

Just piping up to say does anyone remember Kate getting papped in a cab after Mahiki or Boujis with a pack of dunhill blues poking out of her handbag? I was quite the 🍷🚬 myself in those days and made me think there was a more interesting side to her than the demure Disney princess we’ve all been sold.

SerenDippitty · 29/04/2019 07:07

Diana wore seatbelt even wearing couture gowns, all the time, I think her seatbelt was faulty or there is something odd about it all.

No one in the car was wearing a seatbelt other than the one survivor of the crash, the bodyguard.

SerenDippitty · 29/04/2019 07:10

I don’t think the Muslim issue is surprising when you consider the RF still can’t marry or become Catholic.

They can marry Catholics , but either they have to renounce their claim to the throne or their intended must renounce their faith. It’s usually the latter that happens as in the case of Peter Phillips.

BalloonSlayer · 29/04/2019 07:13

If the Queen's uncle hadn't have abdicated the throne for Wallis/Wallace Simpson thus making her dad King we'd have had a completely different Monarchy.

Hmm well if he had been allowed to marry her, we would have had exactly the same monarchy in that the Queen would still be Queen but would not have come to the throne until the 1970s. Which might have meant she and Philip would have been able to be more hands-on parents and might have resulted in more well-adjusted children perhaps, but apart from that much the same.

CourtenayDevon · 29/04/2019 07:28

For those interested in the Al-Fayed side of things, I think he desperately wanted British citizenship which he was refused at least twice. And possibly why he had Harrods. I think this is also why he "played up" the relationship with Di & Dodi, because he wanted that connection to royalty.
Just my musings, but there was some reason that his citizenship was refused by the Government, maybe via the RF, who knows.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/1999/may/06/3

CourtenayDevon · 29/04/2019 07:32

That should say, there were reasons why it was refused.

Mummylovesbags · 29/04/2019 07:38

@SerenDippitty yes correct, she was not wearing her seatbelt at the time of the crash. My point was that it was claimed that she always wore her seatbelt usually. There are photographs showing her wearing a seatbelt in couture. Therefore I found it unusual and suspect the belt was possibly tampered with prior to crash.

Mummylovesbags · 29/04/2019 07:42

@Gennz18 smoking is a working class thing here in Australia so I always found that so odd. Yes, agreed she must have had a fun side especially to model that dress with the sultry look on her face. I thought it showed some fire in her belly when she was photographed during their breakup in sequinned mini skirts strutting her stuff into night clubs sans william, different outfits and even more toned and fit from her breakup hobby of dragon boat rowing. Hilarious to see in the tabloids, was like a romantic movie montage when the girl gets even with a style makeover. Remember scouring the British tabloids online. I broke up with my now husband around the same time and followed the whole romance with bated breath.

Mummylovesbags · 29/04/2019 07:43

Oh and the vibrator book launch she went to with Pippa. Something to do with a bunny vibrator 🤷‍♀️ Think she would be amazing flirt too !

dayswithaY · 29/04/2019 07:47

Has anyone mentioned Barry Mannakee yet? Google his name if you want your head to spin. He was Diana's Royal Protection Officer in the early days way before James Gilbey and Hewitt. Allegedly they fell in love, she wanted him to leave his wife. Then he died. In a road accident, under suspicious circumstances.