To think the UK media silence on the Prince William rumours is odd

[Absofuckinglutely]

Just that really. No idea if there's anything more than rumour and speculation, but it's all over social media that Prince William allegedly had an affair with one of Kate's friends, but there is a total media silence on it.
Pretty bizarre considering that Meghan Markle barely has to breathe and the media are covering it.

Oh of course we don’t know if Diana had this but many of her reported behaviours fit in with BPD. The stalking, cutting off relationships, eating disorder, self harm attempts, intense emotional love affairs.

@chaosisaladder not sure what you mean exactly but it’s BPD closely linked to trauma. I can’t imagine the diagnosis being phased out as requires clinical intervention.

Didn't her stepchildren call her "Acid Raine"?

quite ghastly behaviour but you just don’t know the other side or the story. In a way she was paranoid but she was taught not to trust by everyone close to her and then from a young age trapped in a highly political, unhealthy environment

Oh, don't get me wrong. I have a lot of sympathy for Diana and was shocked and saddened when she died. She needed a very different life to the one she ended up in.

And Raine kindly introduced Diana to Mr al Fayed.a

Even Camilla told her during their famous confrontation that the affair was no secret as if she should just accept it. All their friends knew, everyone and just acted like she should be cool with it. It could have been that she was emotionally fragile but being in that environment was the catalyst

People in that circle probably didn't even think they were being cruel. They were all at it - just a way of life - no spite meant. But Diana wanted true love and there is nothing wrong with that. I certainly would not have been okay with the affairs myself if I were in her shoes.

@fannywork - the ICD-11 is scrapping the subtypes of PD (no more EUPD, no more BPD) and introducing a sliding scale of severity of personality disorder. Some people —optimists like me— are viewing it as a gradual move towards the complete phasing out of the diagnosis. NICE will not adopt this new scale of PD until they’ve seen how it pans out elsewhere.

mummy it doesn’t require clinical intervention at all. There is no drug you can take to cure it, no psychosocial intervention that cures it either. It was included in the MH act in 2006/07 - before that, there was no clinical intervention for that diagnosis. But it definitely does not require it.

American news outlets have now officially announced it.

There are people who, neglected and/or emotionally, maybe physically, abandoned by their parents in childhood, can never be loved enough to make them feel secure in their adult lives. I would guess this was the case with Diana and that nobody would have been able to meet her needs.

"Officially announced" what?

@lookingelsewhere I know, I was only 12 when she died but I used to be obsessed with her as a little girl. I remember watching the rolling coverage and not leaving the TV. I listened to Elton Johns song endlessly and my Nanna bought two copies - one for each of us. She divorced at the same time as my
parents did too. I think being crazy over the royals is like my guilty, secret pleasure. I do think they’re days are numbered though. There is just too much sadness, tragedy and dysfunction in the world to justify them. They’re very expensive philanthropists. I read the spendings and finances of them on their website and was shocked. People talk about the travel and security costs, it’s also the staff costs and severance packages. Also not sure that having three castles that you live between is practical. I mean fine if you’re a private billionaire but if you’re taking a cent from the government to live like that, it’s not ok. With their wealth and celebrity they should fundraise on their own terms - kind of counterintuitive to charge countrt for it. Plus it’s just not a feminist institution, I feel like making a woman stand on the street with her newborn after labour is a violation of female rights. I’m half joking and half serious - it’s pretty backward.

I feel like making a woman stand on the street with her newborn after labour is a violation of female rights.

Nobody is 'making' her do that though. It's not a royal requirement, or even tradition.

Although granted they did report Kate was having twins about 3 years ago that never materialised.

Just seems odd that even newspapers in Pakistan are reporting this story but our media is losing its collective mind because an ambulance was parked kinda close to Meghan's house.

@chaosisaladder evidence based practice is that DBT is and now mentalisatiom taking place. In many cases it resolves itself in 30’s and 40’s or diminishes but still requires therapy. Have relative that is severely impacted and have met with therapists many times and advocated for her. Could be different in Australia 🤷‍♀️

When you think about it Camilla has really paved the way and set a precedent for the next royal mistress. She’s really proved the unimaginable and shown that you can go from being the villain in the press to the victor. She will be the next Queen consort, and who ever could have imagined that in the panorama days ?

Important difference though: Diana is dead. If she’d been alive it would have been almost impossible that could have happened because as head of the CofE it wouldn’t really have been possible for him to do that role as a remarried divorcee.

The CofE accepts remarriage in ‘exceptional circumstances’ which probably just about covers Charles and Camilla, but not William trading in for a younger model.

@Mummylovesbags

I get what you mean. I had a very difficult mother and childhood and I felt for Diana and could empathise with her difficulties. I was only 7 years younger than her. She made some made decisions, but we all have. I did some very stupid things and got involved with some very stupid friendships and relationships. No discernment. I just wanted to be accepted and wanted.

I can even see how the verruca comment affected her so deeply. We were brought up to have such a deep sense of shame about ourselves that a comment like that that others would brush off would have made me want to hide away and die, especially when I was younger. Like it was something you couldn't come back from. Way OTT, but that's the way it feels. No perspective.

Diana still had a big heart though and did a lot of good. I remember her face when she walked down the aisle. Such beauty and radiance. So much promise. Such a tragic ending for her.

@icedpurple oh I reckon the 100 news reporters outside her window would have been an incentive. The press was organised by the palace. Who really knows how much say she has 🤷‍♀️

Thank you very much chaos, will go and have a read up. Much appreciated and a very interesting point to hear about, thank you.

@mummy - there is actually no evidence that DBT is any more effective than any other talking therapy for BPD. All studies that indicate it is compare the use of DBT to TAU (treatment as usual), which is an unspecified and unknown treatment - any structured therapy would perform well compared to it.

BPD is contested because it’s far more likely, in cases of trauma, to be a form of PTSD. With regards to it reducing in 30s and 40s, this is seen to be proof that it is a issue of morality rather than a mental illness. That is to say, for whatever reason, the patient is unable to make moral judgements normally and takes longer to develop what is considered to be a “normal” moral compass.

Whatever works for someone is good. I hope your relative is doing well. I just do not believe that it is a useful diagnosis.

@Mummylovesbags

She could have said no. Meghan did. She could have simply walked out of the hospital without posing like Edward and Sophie did with their kids, or chosen a back entrance. Yes, I know that Kate's babies are more 'important' in the royal context, but if she had refused to do the Lindo photocall thing, nobody could have forced her, and I really don't think anyone would even be inclined to. Until Diana, royal women had their babies at home, so like I say it's not a tradition and certainly not a requirement.

Divorced before her tragic passing. I meant in the eyes of the public, I don’t think her death made a difference. In some ways it made it worst than if he’d remarried and Diana had lived and happily remarried too. The COE is another deal and I imagine they’re growing more and more progressive by the day. They Church of England invented afterall for the purpose of remarriage. Seems there is always a civilised way to get around things. Charles and Camilla did a civil ceremony and blessing did they not or some sort of tricky little thing to soften it all.

althorp not althrop

I suspect that the rumour that Kate has sidelined Rose Hanbury is 100% true. I suspect that the rumour that this was because William cheated on Kate with Rose Hanbury is 100% false.

@chaosisaladder so interesting
@icedpurple this is true although Diana did it and she echoed Diana’s fashion choices in the Lindo steps so perhaps it was about their tradition. In any case I don’t think her role isespecially liberating or empowering for a woman of her intelligence and high profile.

@chaosisaladder ps: appreciate and will do more research based on that info as a starting point