To think the UK media silence on the Prince William rumours is odd

[Absofuckinglutely]

Just that really. No idea if there's anything more than rumour and speculation, but it's all over social media that Prince William allegedly had an affair with one of Kate's friends, but there is a total media silence on it.
Pretty bizarre considering that Meghan Markle barely has to breathe and the media are covering it.

I haven't got any verruccas but if I had you could have them all, even if you told everyone. I'd still speak to you, honest. She was a woman who knew how to hold a grudge.

Limitedperiodonly, i agree with what your saying, Diana cut people out of her life when they didn't agree with her, as for the fall out with Fergie saying she got a varucca from wearing Diana's shoe's , although its not a nice thing to say, would you really fall out with a friend over it, funny or not your not supposed to wear other people's shoes for that reason .

I don’t think the royal family killed Diana. I don’t think the media did either. What are the chances that she would die of a car accident she predicted. I thought it so strange that she wasn’t wearing a seatbelt while speeding when she had worn one religiously all her life, even when wearing a couture dress and meandering along to Buckingham. I think her seatbelt was faulty. I read through the inquiry reports once and was surprised by how superficial and lacking it all was.

Think she has enormous impact on landlines and the arms industry before she died. There was also political upheaval about her influence. I think if it was anyone probably something to do with that.

Landmines

Didn't one of the previous princes (George?) have a fondness for dressing in drag and walking around London with Noel Coward?

Prince George, the Duke of Kent.

He also had a thing with Barbara Cartland before he married who said/believed he was the father of her daughter Raine - who went on to become Diana’s step-mother.

She was a woman who knew how to hold a grudge.

With regard to Fergie, as much as I’m not a Diana fan at all, she did promise not to discuss Diana in her book and then broke that promise. Including the verucca story and various others. And we don’t know that they wouldn’t have sorted it out, it’s just that Diana’s untimely death meant they had gone six months or whatever without sorting it.

I would be really interested to hear senior royals justify the RF’s role in modern Britain. Tourism, okay. What else?

I think Diana may have had borderline personality disorder which would explain why she cut people off and had attachment difficulties. It is also common in women who’ve experienced emotional trauma or traumatic upbringing.

Exactly, @limitedperiodonly.

Yes, Diana was a very unhappy little girl growing up. No doubt led to a lot of her problems.

people.com/archive/diana-draws-blood-vol-45-no-6/

Diana Draws Blood 1996

Reports that became public last week suggest that Diana, 34, has recently played into the hands of those who may not wish her well. On Jan. 24, British papers pegged her as the source of a false rumor that Charles’s aide Alexandra “Tiggy” Legge-Bourke, companion to Princes William, 13, and Harry, 11, when they are with their father, had become pregnant by Charles last year and had an abortion. According to witnesses who gave their accounts when the story finally surfaced, Diana strolled over to Tiggy—whom she reportedly views as a rival for her sons’ affections—during the Waleses’ Dec. 14 staff Christmas party at London’s Lanesborough Hotel. “So sorry to hear about your baby,” she allegedly said to Legge-Bourke, 30, who replied with a stunned “What?” before dissolving in tears.

Two days before full details of the scandal hit the papers, the princess’s longtime private secretary Patrick Jephson, 39, resigned. Reportedly, after receiving a tongue-lashing from Di, he retorted, “You can’t treat people like this,” and walked out. The next day his assistant Nicole Cockell followed suit. The contract of chauffeur Steve Davies was not renewed, and he also left that same week.

As for Tiggy, she has proved far from defenseless. With the Queen’s blessing, she asked prominent libel lawyer Peter Carter-Ruck to write Di’s solicitors on Dec. 18, asking that she apologize and that the abortion accusation be “recognized to be totally untrue.” On Dec. 20, Carter-Ruck warned journalists not to print “malicious lies” about his client. That apparently was intended as a warning to any newspaper that might consider repeating Diana’s allegation. (Still, Carter-Ruck lodged no complaint against the Sun or the Daily Mirror when they broke the story on Jan. 24. Sources close to the Palace say Tiggy is reluctant to prolong the scandal—or upset her young charges—by going to court.)

I thought the way Diana and her sibling's treated there stepmother was absolutely disgusting, her late father stated in his will that she should be allowed to stay in the house for 6 month's to get all her affair's in order and find somewhere else to live, all of his children ignored his wishes she was told to leave the day after the funeral, all her belongings were put in black bag's, the staff were told she wasn't to take any suitcases, she went to live with a friend, disgusting behaviour

hillock, she did make friends with her stepmother before she died.

I would be really interested to hear senior royals justify the RF’s role in modern Britain. Tourism, okay. What else?

This, my sentiments exactly.
It's like a very expensive soap opera.

and walked out. The next day his assistant Nicole Cockell followed suit. The contract of chauffeur Steve Davies was not renewed, and he also left that same week

Sounds like history is repeating itself with MM.

I do recall @lookingelsewhere quite ghastly behaviour but you just don’t know the other side or the story. In a way she was paranoid but she was taught not to trust by everyone close to her and then from a young age trapped in a highly political, unhealthy environment. I think she saw everyone as a threat because half the time they probably were. I think SF and her would have been best friends but it was a dog eat dog, every man for them self family at the end of the day.

Diana may have had borderline personality disorder which would explain why she cut people off and had attachment difficulties. It is also common in women who’ve experienced emotional trauma or traumatic upbringing.

We are all too keen to diagnose conditions with no medical expertise whatever. Ironically, Diana was its biggest advocate. You see it on Mumsnet all the time with people talking about 'narcs'.

You can't do that.

I'm no psychiatrist. I just know that I found Diana interesting. I also know that if I knew her, it would be a race as to whichever one of us cut each other off for own own sanity

Raine Spencer basically saved Diana’s father’s life because he had a massive stroke and she insisted he received an experimental European treatment she sourced through her contacts which saved him. She also didn’t let his kids in to see him which they were furious about, but given how they were all behaving at the time was probably for the best.

They also hated her because she overhauled Althrop, sold heirlooms to pay inheritance tax and reorganised the Althrop estate to turn a profit (she was already an experienced business woman and politician).

Without Raine’s intervention Althrop would probably have gone to the National Trust and Spencer House too. All they’d have left was the title if it wasn’t for her, but they treated her very badly.

i mean imagine seeing engraved Camilla initials on gifts your husband bought her, weeks after you marry, right under your nose, and all the staff know about it and accept it. It wasn’t the affair that was the issue it was the emotional abuse and the way they diminished all her concerns, gas lighted her and made her think she of was a silly girl and should just get over it. I think the situation was absurd and crazy making. Even Camilla told her during their famous confrontation that the affair was no secret as if she should just accept it. All their friends knew, everyone and just acted like she should be cool with it. It could have been that she was emotionally fragile but being in that environment was the catalyst. She was no saint and made plenty of mistakes but she was desperate to be loved and I didn’t think she ever felt truly loved. Ironic that as a public figure she was so adored.

And Raine has nothing to do with their parents, Peter Shand-Kydd, who did have an affair with her mother while their parents were married and was the reason for the split, they were fine with him. But vile to Raine.

This is actually my area of expertise 🤓 BPD is basically just emotional dysregulation and a diagnosis that is being phased out because it’s basically just Shit Life Syndrome. Diana was in a very specific situation and most people would never be exposed to - you either sink or swim (just like the DoCambridge is currently absolutely cruising because she knew what she was signing up for. Diana, god love her, was not suited to the monarchy and it was not suited to her)

Think she has enormous impact on landlines and the arms industry before she died. There was also political upheaval about her influence. I think if it was anyone probably something to do with that.*

This is what I’ve always thought. The arms industry and possibly Blair had a hand in it. I think he knew he was going to go to war at some point and didn’t want a Princess with huge clout drawing attention to the fallout from military actions. He may also have seen her popularity as a threat. And of course with David Kelly there is already very much a suspicion ‘accidents’ can happen.

When you think about it Camilla has really paved the way and set a precedent for the next royal mistress. She’s really proved the unimaginable and shown that you can go from being the villain in the press to the victor. She will be the next Queen consort, and who ever could have imagined that in the panorama days ?

We are all convinced that Kate will be the next Queen. It is perfectly possible that in 20 years time when her swishy mane is a bob, her beauty faded and her children grown and in the limelight, she might be cast aside. By that time people will be focused on the next generation and William will be free to find a new partner and consort if he wants. It’s what his father is able to do so it’s possible.

chaos, do you know where I could find somewhere to read about the phasing out of BPD? I’m not disbelieving you, I think that’s really interesting and have often thought BPD was what you’re describing, pathologising a shit life. Would be really interested reading more if you could point me in the right direction.

Raine could be particularly unpleasant. I personally heard her screech - having found some cigarette butts outside Althorp kitchen - 'I hope whoever left these dies a very painful death from cancer'. She was a challenge.