To start another unpopular opinions thread...

[Mammylamb]

... as the last one is full

Char but you would believe that the trend is continuing to say that the UK need a policy?

People thinking that travellers don't own their own property would definitely be interested to know more.

The popular belief we all leave mess no, I also hope no-one believes that all leave mess, like any population.

Free speech not being so free on here something else specifically? Or you freely expressing?

breast feeding isn't hard work

The majority of women could bf if bottle feeding wasn't presented as an option - the ones that genuinely cant are very very few

Smother I think something needs to be done. In my (very limited) experience, more and more people are having 3 or more children. I just don't understand why.

The belief that sahm is somehow 'easier/less demanding/unstressful/more or less fulfilling/less useful/less valid/less important' and far less valuable than a high or low earning/stressful or unstressful/important or unimportant/ responsible or without responsibility' working role.

The assertion that those who don't succeed money being the measure at life because they simply have a bad work ethic, or don't work hard enough.

If there is no victim, then no crime has been committed

That's quite different to what your info graphic shows. Does this mean you'd allow drunk driving as long as no accident happens?

People should just let other peoples cats shit in their garden.

But Charba it only matters if population growth is an issue.

I think the worry with many DC is whats requires of the earth to support two people, or one, being facilitated through unsustainable means.

As in, one must have a range rover, have CH on to over 18° constantly, continually run tumbledriers, must fly all DC to remote holiday destinations, can only be supported by having to fly or drive long distances for work to support this many DC, and that it's contributing to further pop'n growth.

Much of what living in a large family group is about is economies of scale, but for many its only because of unsustainable means of achieving that.

As I recently saw on another thread about earth's sustainability, there are large families in Africa for instance, that make less eco damage than a childless individual in the UK.

I think your freedom of speech point looks a bit silly considering your actual freedom of speech on here. Oh well.

This thread is providing a forum for PA

Apologies Smother if I've misunderstood you, are you agreeing that people in the UK are having too many children which is unsustainable for the planet?

My other argument for less children would be that the more children you have, the less attention you can give them. I know this is a generalisation, but it is often the case as parents need to work long hours to be able to pay for their children.

In my (very limited) experience, more and more people are having 3 or more children. I just don't understand why

Having three children is the new having a brand new Range Rover.

I have 3 children. It's nothing like having a Range Rover (except they probably cost as much in fuel)

Also I'm a SAHM and I know, for a fact, that my life is easier than dh's. I'd never admit it though mumsnetting with a coffee at 4pm?

@IDontMindAnythingWillDo I think it's 5 children that's a new middle class stays thing. Sure I read that on the dailymail 😂

That people who have 3 dc can't give them enough attention because in some families both parents work long hours.

People have 3 dc because they want to, some parents have all day to spend with their children and can give them all the attention they need.
It's fewer children not less children.

@IDontMindAnythingWillDo

Here it is 😂

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6561055/Why-having-FIVE-children-suddenly-ultimate-middle-class-status-symbol.html

I'm pregnant with number 4 so not long to go now 😂😂

Presumably your last post was directed at me RomanyQueen? Thank you for the correction.

They have 3+ children because they want them but that doesn't mean they should have them. I want a new car but when I look at the bigger picture it's not the right thing to do. I do believe a lot of people these days feel they are entitled to have whatever they want, whenever they want.

I misread a PP as 'faux indigestion'

Charba

I sort of agree with you about the attitude, except for how many children people choose

I'm saying there isn't a direct correlation and that you must believe our population is growing.

But having large families per se doesn't necessarily mean bad use of resources, including parents!

As a resource the more you have the more limited the access to parent time for each, for sure, but it does all hinge on circumstances

Being a smoker don't make a person evil, it means they have an addiction

Not necessarily. I am a very occasional smoker. I really can pick it up and put it down as I please. I'm not addicted. And I'm absolutely, definitely, without any shadow of doubt, not evil

Agree @Smotheroffive

I think we all know that a footprint correlates positively to a Western lifestyle, but the developed world's consumption is shooting through the roof just at the time the West is starting to get to grips with the damage inflicted.

I'd like to see 3+ kids as being socially unacceptable and childbearing not rewarded by government social programmes - financial incentives matter (we're getting there in the case of the latter).

Some SAHM may find it easier, some that work find it easier. Applicable to the individual, but certainly not a fact for others.