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AIBU not to give my mum a special ‘role’ in my wedding?

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EveryDayImHustlin · 22/04/2019 12:02

Planning my wedding at the moment. It’s in 6 months and I’m getting so stressed about my family politics. This is a bit long so the short version is, AIBU not to give my mum a specific ‘role’ in my wedding in response to her passive aggressive digs about my dad?

My parents are divorced and both are remarried. Without going into a whole massive back story, my parents’ divorce was very messy and my mum did a few things which were less than ideal. Our relationship was quite strained for a few years as a result, but we’ve long since made up, I’ve forgiven her, and it was a very long time ago (I was 17 then, I’m 36 now!)

However, I think my mum still has some unresolved guilt about the whole thing and it manifests as a bit of a martyr complex where unfortunately she seems to be expecting to be shoved out or punished in some way. This has resulted in a number of passive aggressive digs about my wedding which I would really like to stop now, or it’s going to be a long and stressful six months and I’d quite like to just enjoy the lead up to my wedding!

For example, she asked if my dad would be giving me away and doing a Father of the Bride speech. I said yes, because I know those things are important to him, and he’s been looking forward to them my whole life. She just grumbled something about how she’d have to somehow make sure people knew who she was, and that I shouldn’t worry about her feeling left out (but in a tone that very much suggested the exact opposite).

She asked me where she would be sitting at dinner and whether my dad would be next to me at the top table. I said I didn’t know yet and we’d probably just do whatever is traditional, and she got into a bit of a huff about potentially being seated ‘far away’ from me (two or three seats away at most, and it’s an informal dinner where we’ll be seated for an hour max!) I said I welcomed her suggestions and she could sit next to me if she wanted, or maybe she and my dad could swap half way through dinner or something like that, and of course she immediately just told me not to be silly and that it didn’t matter and of course I should sit next to my dad.

She also keeps making comments about how she’s sorry that she can’t afford to pay more towards the wedding, the subtext (I think) being that my dad has sooo much more money than her. I keep reminding her that my dad isn’t paying, we’re paying for it ourselves! But she still brings it up and acts like it’s a big deal.

Don’t even get me started on the guilt trip about needing to invite some of her friends because she ‘won’t know anyone’ (except her husband and all her kids and their partners and her grandchildren of course!)

I’ve probably made her sound awful and she’s not, she’s lovely and very caring really, but just has this really paranoid/insecure/passive aggressive side to her that is so hard to deal with. She also keeps telling me not to let my dad tell me what to do or let him take over the day (which he isn’t, he’s basically going to be turning up on the day and walking me down the aisle because we’re planning and paying for everything ourselves).

A few people have suggested that I ask her to do a reading or something in order to give her a ‘role’ and make her feel special. My problem with this is that my fiancé’s parents aren’t doing anything like that, and I feel reluctant to have the whole day feel like a performance by my family! His family are already much quieter than mine (who are all, err, strong personalities) and I can’t help feeling like it’s going to feel like the ‘My Family Show’ as it is. His family would literally never complain about anything and will happily go along with whatever we decide, which is what makes it all the more frustrating when my own mother makes me feel so stuck and like I can’t do anything right. And yes, I guess I am reluctant to feel like I’m ‘rewarding’ bad behaviour from her (can’t quite believe I feel that way about one of my own parents!)

My mum has been dress shopping with me, will be coming along to my makeup trial next week, and will spend all morning having breakfast and getting ready with me on the day - why am I being made to feel like this isn’t enough? If you tot up her involvement in the wedding vs my dad’s then she’s actually far more involved than he is.

I had a word with her last night and said that it makes me sad that she’d put so much emphasis on a seat at dinner or a speech, and that she might somehow feel ‘less’ than my dad because of these tiny things, and she told me that I was imagining it and that it wasn’t how she felt at all. But I know my own mother and all the little comments and digs very much say otherwise.

So, next time she says something AIBU to tell her in no uncertain terms that I do not want to hear another word about it and that she is making me dread my wedding day with her constant niggling about it? I love her dearly and it breaks my heart that she’s apparently feeling so insecure about things but I can’t keep feeling so stressed about this!

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Mrsjayy · 22/04/2019 17:57

Hopefully it will keep her content but be careful she might find something else to moan/get fretty about so you might never please her

Mrsjayy · 22/04/2019 17:58

And you shouldn'tc try the rings are a lovely gesture

TinselAngel · 22/04/2019 17:59

Sorry haven't RTFT, but have your mothers sign the register. (ie be witnesses), That's the traditional way to involve them.

GreenTulips · 22/04/2019 18:00

That’s a nice idea your mom stepsnforward woth his ring and his mum does the same - that’s really sweet

GreenTulips · 22/04/2019 18:00

Oh - you could get a cushion with a lively mum message - as a little extra thought

Doobigetta · 22/04/2019 18:17

We had corsages for both of our mothers. And they were supposed to be in charge of “hosting” before the ceremony, although from my vantage point “hosting” looked a lot like getting tanked up on prosecco rather than looking after anyone else.
Also, we got both of my step-parents on the top table- we just stuck them on the end together. Wasn’t symmetrical, but life isn’t sometimes.

QuickQuestion2019 · 22/04/2019 18:21

Frankly, @EveryDayImHustlin in 2019 I'm baffled as to why you are allowing anyone to 'give you away'. Are you a man's property?

Walk yourself down the isle or walk with your DH to be. You're not being exchanged for ten hens and a goat FFS.

As for your mum..tell her it's 2019 and weddings are an expensive party, she has the rest of your life to be 'involved'

EveryDayImHustlin · 22/04/2019 18:23

Sigh. Not this again.

I didn’t come here to ask anyone else’s permission to have my dad walk me down the aisle, thank you.

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Ninkaninus · 22/04/2019 18:26

Oh that sounds like a perfect compromise - tbh I’d thought, as I was reading the thread, that neither of the previous options you’d mentioned (mum walk you down the aisle with your dad/uninvite step brother as witness) really seemed right or fair to your dad or step brother, or considerate of their feelings, so I was going to caution against both of those.

DuchessAnnogovia · 22/04/2019 18:49

Congratulations! Thanks

My daughter very recently got married and it was a quite similar scenario to yours op. Her father and I are long since divorced and are with different people now. There was no question of him being at her wedding anyway. In her opinion he's a waste of space. I did wonder what 'role' I would be given. However it was my daughters day and it was entirely her decision. She asked her brother to give her away, which I thought was so perfect. You said your mum was worried about her visibility at your wedding, my daughter asked me to make a speech (I had many a sleepless night over this!) Maybe you could suggest she says a few words, as well as your father?

We didn't do the traditional top table either, as her grooms father had passed away a couple of years ago, and what with her not wanting her father there, she felt it wasn't warranted. What she did have though was a unity candle ceremony where the mothers had a little role to perform. Have you thought about something similar? x

Lollypop701 · 22/04/2019 19:10

Op my df gave me away... the time in the car, the moments before we went into church are wonderful. My dh and I paid for our wedding, decided what we wanted. It’s not a bloody feminist issue, it’s a choice. I made it, I loved it. That’s what feminism is, the ability to make a choice!

FoggyDay58 · 22/04/2019 19:21

My mum had a similar attitude before our wedding. I spent a lot of energy thinking of ways to make sure she was included - arranging for an usher to take her to her seat (so she wouldn't be "Billy no mates" while my dad walked me up the aisle), asking her to do the first reading and giving her a non-religious text (which I personally liked a lot more than the religious one, which we gave to DH's DM), and finally arranging fresh flowers on our pork pie wedding "cake". She was determined to read my actions as nasty, spiteful and giving preferential treatment to my husband's family, and despite my efforts she still managed to get really upset about the wedding, got extremely drunk on the day and claims she completely missed the evening do (she didn't, she just didn't remember it, and had to be helped into a taxi to the hotel). It was quite embarrassing hearing all the stories trickle in from other guests over the next weeks and months. I say don't go out of your way to make her feel a certain way when it sounds like your DM is determined to feel like that whatever you do!

CheerfulMuddler · 22/04/2019 19:31

I think it's lovely that your dad is walking you down the aisle. And yy to having your stepbrother give you away.

I think you're handling this with incredible grace, given your history. And I can quite understand why your mum is feeling so anxious, ditto. Weddings are seriously weird - they raise all these unexpected emotions in everybody.

Please try and keep this as close to the day you want as possible. You will hopefully only get married once, and I don't think people realise how special a day it is until it happens. Do give her as many jobs as you want to off load (you will discover plenty as you get closer to the day!) but don't let her railroad you into having a day you don't want.

Cherrysoup · 22/04/2019 19:33

That’s what feminism is, the ability to make a choice!

Exactly! I do wish people banging on about not being ‘given away’ would consider that actually, th bride to be wants this!

The ring bearer thing is lovely, OP, just make sure she doesn’t then demand more and stress you out. It’s YOUR day, you should be enjoying it. MOB generally is enough of a role without actually doing anything extra.

CheerfulMuddler · 22/04/2019 19:35

(I'm very much usually the sort of person to get het up about "I don't need anyone to give me away!" etc. But I asked my mum to do it anyway. Because I didn't have a dad, and I wanted that public acknowledgement of all the things she did for me in my childhood. If you want it, you want it. End of.)

ZsaZsaMc · 22/04/2019 19:41

Not sure if anyone else has suggested it but you could, as part of the speeches, give bouquets to your mum (and probs mum in law too) to thank them for all their ‘hard work’ in the run up to the wedding or support etc etc - this might appease your mum as it’s giving her visibility / public recognition on your day. And distinguishes her from your dad’s wife etc!

ZsaZsaMc · 22/04/2019 19:43

Ah just seen the ring bearer idea! Let us know how it goes.. she sounds like my mum and you might get huffing and puffing about this as well Grin

ittakes2 · 22/04/2019 19:47

For our wedding we came across a tradition where both mothers came to the front and used ribbon to bind the bride and groom’s hands together and then gave us the ribbon to keep. It was a symbol of the two families joining. It felt nice to give the mums a role.

EveryDayImHustlin · 22/04/2019 20:00

Thanks again everyone. My fiancé is not so keen on the unity candle as it doesn’t really feel very ‘us’ but having them as ring bearers feels instinctively right, so I hope it will go down well. I’m sure she will still make a few snarky comments as she just can’t help herself but I think my sister will keep her in check if she misbehaves too much! I think she is just one of those people who actively enjoys feeling hard-done-by but I also know that she would be really mortified if she ever actually knew she’d upset me. So I’m hoping she will calm down a bit or at least keep some of her comments to herself as the day gets closer!

Giving bouquets to the mums is nice too and we may well do that. There’s the opposite end of the spectrum to consider too though, as we both have step-mothers and I feel like if we go toooo far down the ‘look everyone these are our mothers!’ route then we run the risk of alienating the step-mums. And while my stepmum is in no way the same as my real mum, she has been in my life for a long time now too and I don’t want her to feel ignored either.

What a mine field! If you’d asked me 10 years ago I would have said I just didn’t want to get married at all because I couldn’t be arsed with all this drama, but now everyone’s a bit older and more settled it feels achievable. But I guess it was always going to be a bit tricky no matter how careful and sensitive everyone tried to be!

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Shushandpat · 22/04/2019 20:02

You're being very reasonable. My mum was similar when we got married. In retrospect, she was going to act that way no matter what i did. I asked her to do a reading and to make the table centre pieces. FIL drove me to the church. MIL was a witness. My dad did the traditional. We hoped that everyone would feel involved that way.

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MarieIVanArkleStinks · 22/04/2019 20:23

Easy. Mum walks you down the aisle and gives you away at the ceremony, Dad makes speech at the reception. Or vice versa. Views of each to be taken into account.

Although I'm inclined to agree that passive-aggressive behaviour shouldn't be rewarded (goodness knows I've had to put up with enough of that kind of thing from my dear MiL), outdated, patriarchal stereotypes where the father takes on all key, visible roles while mum takes a back seat are equally unfair, and are the more irritating for their sexism and attitudes to women as merely being chattels for passing from male to male. That being so I don't blame your mother for being a touch pissed off, although I do blame her for her mode of expressing that feeling.

Seventytwoseventythree · 22/04/2019 20:32

My mum was just like this about my wedding, I tried really hard to include her, asked her to do various bits in the run up that she would enjoy/played to her strengths, my husband gave her a special mention in his speech, I did various bits that she wanted that I didn’t care about (and I was paying) and gave her a role in the ceremony itself as well as a nice present after. She still had a bitch after the wedding about how I “ignored” her and made her feel unwanted. I would maybe do a token gesture (maybe ask her to read a poem or something) and ensure you get some pics with her but after what I went though I wouldn’t put half as much effort in if I had to do it again, not worth it!

Congratulations and hope you have a wonderful wedding

dementedma · 22/04/2019 20:43

I didn't know mums had a role to be honest. DD gets married next year. DH will walk her down the aisle, DD1 and DS will do a reading and be usher respectively. There is no top table. I'm just turning up and happy with that. i don't need or want a role. I've paid for the dress, cake and flowers and hear all about the plans so don't think there is anything else for me to do.

EveryDayImHustlin · 22/04/2019 20:48

Can I please make a polite request that people stop questioning my feminist credentials and my decision to have my father walk me down the aisle? Seriously, all your opinions have been noted and taken on board and will give me a lot of food for thought over the coming months, but I really don’t need to hear it over and over again and it is really not what I came here for advice on. As I have explained a few times, my father and I became very close during a rough period in all our lives, while my mum did some pretty bad things, and the relationship I now have with my dad makes me feel strongly that I would like him to walk with me. I have given it plenty of thought and have not simply gone along with a sexist tradition ‘just because’.

As I mentioned earlier, we are having two women give speeches, plus myself. We outnumber the men! I am not having my mum give a speech, not because she is a woman, but because I instinctively do not feel it would be the right thing for her to do given who she is and the kinds of things she is likely to say. I have spoken to my sister and she strongly agrees with my assessment!

When we were getting engaged I was very insistent that I did not want my fiancé to ask my father’s ‘permission’ because that was a tradition that didn’t sit right with me

Please believe me when I say that I have given all this a LOT of thought, and made the decisions I’ve made because they were right for me, and while I appreciate any and all viewpoints I would also ask for a slither of respect for the decisions I’ve made, with my eyes open and with my specific knowledge of all the parties involved! Thank you Smile

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