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AIBU to think Brexit has shone light on a really unpleasant racist underbelly allowing it to flourish?

346 replies

KennDodd · 15/04/2019 14:03

I know, I know not all Leavers are racist, really, I do know that. But the (lovely, non racist) Leavers must be able to see this, they really cant be blind to the unsavoury characters and groups promoting Brexit for all their worth. I don't know what can be done about this, if there's any way to put these groups back in the box?

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Fjfs · 15/04/2019 17:13

*Indiginous - native to, anyone born in the country would be native to.

So I am not sure what your issue is.*

I think indigenous people might disagree with your definition of it.

Two examples - Native American Indians and Mauri.

lucyinthefry · 15/04/2019 17:13

I think the Internet is what has encouraged racism, misogyny and all sorts of other 'underbelly' stuff in recent years. Birds of an unsavoury feather can flock together online.
I don't think it's Brexit because it's even worse in the other EU countries where they aren't being allowed to exit.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 15/04/2019 17:13

laiste

If that is for my benefit

That post came AFTER Fjfs posted that someone had said all leavers were racist

VladmirsPoutine · 15/04/2019 17:15

What rhetoric @Fjfs?

Well the absolute normalisation of racism. The casual use of language like 'traitors' 'saboteurs'. Our very own foreign secretary likening the EU to the soviet union. Jacob rees mogg giving casual speeches at organisations who advocate for the repatriation of black and asian brits.

But apart from all that, everything seems fine. Can't spot a racist at all among the Leave crowd.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 15/04/2019 17:15

I always thought indigenous kinda meant original

So the two examples fj gave woukd be right

But I wouldn't bet my life on it...or money

MitziK · 15/04/2019 17:18

I know somebody whose DP is going to be relocating to Croatia with their firm and now speaks reasonable Croatian following intensive immersion courses over the last two years.

They said the main subject of conversation within a very short time of meeting is 'What the fuck are you all doing? This is exactly how it started here -' and then drift off into silently remembering what they saw. Particular hatred is reserved for Boris Johnson, as they see somebody intrinsically malevolent hiding as an amiable fool.

If people who have experienced war and atrocities can see that this is not just a bad idea, but is exactly how their own wars started, why are we not listening to them?

Laiste · 15/04/2019 17:19

You asked where the post was and said that you couldn't see it.

Don't quite see what difference it makes what time it was said. The more interesting point is that indeed some people DO think that all leavers are racist isn't it? And are happy to say it.

Fjfs · 15/04/2019 17:20

Boris got his views from his father. He said something like 'let the Irish kill each other' not an exact quote about 6 months ago.

Hithere12 · 15/04/2019 17:20

I work in social housing, my partner works for the NHS. Every day we are confronted with the huge issues caused by a government that does not build enough housing / hospitals for the amount of migration we have.

Every body living their cosy lives berating leave voters does not care about the people suffering under this system. Again it’s not migration that is the problem it’s then the government doesn’t give a fuck about building the housing and hospitals/doctors offices that this requires, and they never will. So the issues would have gotten worse. If you’re a home owner who works in an office I’m sure it’s easy for you to label leave voters as a bunch of racists and your house going up in value is a great thing but realise there are problems from uncontrolled immigration that you don’t see.

Fjfs · 15/04/2019 17:21

Rufus - the thread title and subsequent slithering posts all but stated it.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 15/04/2019 17:23

fj

I would disagree with that

But i have seen it said on other threads and obviously dee has said it as well

So i woukd never said that it hasn't ever been said on here...as it bloody has [smil]

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 15/04/2019 17:24

Oh mannnn

Too many saids and what the fuck happened to my smile!!

Bloody EEEEE Smile

Got it that time

Windowsareforcheaters · 15/04/2019 17:25

@Hithere12

Every body living their cosy lives berating leave voters does not care about the people suffering under this system

The majority of people voting leave were middle aged, middle class people from the home countries who usually vote Tory.

I think we can say that this being the case the majority of leave voters don't care about the poor or the dispossessed.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 15/04/2019 17:27

You asked where the post was and said that you couldn't see it

I was asking fj where she had seen that on the thread

It hadnt been said

But its ok, I certainly wouldn't disagree that there are posters who think that

Fjfs · 15/04/2019 17:28

The home counties usually work in London in highly paid jobs in Finance.

BoneyBackJefferson · 15/04/2019 17:28

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer and Fjfs

change it to born in or native to. both which are synonyms of indigenous

mellongoose · 15/04/2019 17:29

Sorry I haven't rtft.

It concerns me greatly that those who wish to leave the EU's political union are now being branded as extremist. They are even being compared to Nazis (David Lamy, I'm looking at you).

I'm cross that the media is legitimising this narrative. Leavers should not be compared to those who were responsible for unspeakable atrocities such as the holocaust. It is irresponsible.

Dimsumlosesum · 15/04/2019 17:30

No. Not for us, anyway. Haven't noticed a difference at all.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 15/04/2019 17:30

boney

Didnt mean to disagree

I just always thought it meant 'original'

But things change (or i didnt pay attention in English class...happy for you to pick either Smile)

rosie39forever · 15/04/2019 17:30

windowsareforcheaters totally agree most of the leave voters I know (including my parents) are older middle class people who really don't give a fuck about poor or disenfranchised peolple coincidentally they are all racist too go figure.

BoneyBackJefferson · 15/04/2019 17:31

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer

Not a problem.

I just get the feeling that some posters are just up for a ruckus.

Fjfs · 15/04/2019 17:31

@mellongoose
A poster on this thread has likened Leavers to the KKK.

scaryteacher · 15/04/2019 17:31

bellinsurge Thank god we have no gun running, sex trafficking or organised crime in this country, eh? Where do you think the traffickers come from, and the gun runners? Did you not realise that the weapons used at Bataclan were traced back to Serbia?

DeeCee No one is doubting your lived experiences, but to vote Leave is not to stand up and brand yourself a racist. I don't live in a black country, but in one that is infamous for its behaviour in the now DRC. I voted Leave because I think to stay in is risky, and that there would be no status quo with Remain. Given that either way there would be big changes, I thought it best to be facing them on the UKs own terms. As we as a nation have never been signed up to the fully federalised vision of Europe that the drive for ever closer union is aiming for, then we would have to leave at some point. Better now than later perhaps.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 15/04/2019 17:31

They are even being compared to Nazis (David Lamy, I'm looking at you

He wasn't calling leave voters nazis

Fjfs · 15/04/2019 17:32

Indigenous has never meant 'born in'. It means 'native to'.