To think that if a landlord evicts you ie makes you homeless to sell you shouldn't get stiffed for cleaning charges by the agent when you move out?

[Bleddry]

Clean your own house if you want to sell it you tightwad.

What’s bad is you think private landlords should shoulder the burden on a broken system. Like every private LL is vile scum who should be punished.

The first sentence is the wrong way round: I think private landlords shouldn’t benefit from a broken system.

The second sentence is nonsense. I don’t think BTL landlords are evil. I think they’re doing something that should be denied to them for reasons of social policy.

If you had to be evicted so the owner could sell, you’ve already been a PITA and cost the landlord money and time. If course you clean when you leave.

Puzzled

The selling price could be assessed by the Lands Tribunal.

Kissing in the rain- you’re wrong about rights of way, they either exist or they don’t - they are not imposed because someone “buys land to cut it off”. They are either there or they are not. They are not imposed because someone buys land. You don’t understand property law.

Your assertion that “of course landlords hold all the cards, don’t be silly” shows you don’t understand landlord and tenant law either. We have regulation of landlords in the various jurisdictions in the UK. In all of them though landlords Are still free to sell though and none yet provide for compulsory purchase at less than market value as you were suggesting!

I don’t see that “social policy” should ban people from letting property. Why should op be able to stay indefinitely in a property versus the landlord being able to sell? We don’t have any idea even why the landlord is selling. He could be dead, even.

Op wants someone else’s stuff and doesn’t want to pay for it (she said she doesn’t see why she should have to pay rent when the landlords mortgage is paid off). Life doesn’t and shouldn’t work like that.

I can’t be arsed with the easement issue any more. Have it your way.

As to landlord and tenant law, what are you talking about? I’ve been arguing for a change in the law to give tenants greater rights and to drive BTL out as a casual money spinner for people.

If you don’t think landlords hold all the cards I think you’re very shortsighted or just plain foolish.

The fact that deposit protection schemes are now legally required is the best evidence anyone needed that a significant number of LLs and agents will try to rob tenants' deposits. Charging for professional cleaning that wasn't needed, and sometimes wasn't even done is just one of the many ways they try it on.

Safariboot

Yes, and the impending end of tenancy fees. What a racket!

Kissing
The ll only has to give 2 months notice. However the tenant can choose to stay until evicted. This makes notice more like 6 months for tenants, who are less organised, unable to find / move into a new place or plain awkward. People, who stay to the bitter end are housed. If the law changed that a ll could only serve notice on bad tenants, lls, who wanted their property back would simply make something up. So that’s not going to work.

We often possess things, which can be withdrawn. Leased cars, passports don’t belong to us, neither do credit cards. The compulsory purchase route you are suggesting happened in Zimbabwe in recent history. It didn’t end well and certainly didn’t make the country richer. The right to buy scheme in this country was supposed to even things out. It didn’t. Some people don’t want to own property. Some are not able to either.

You are landing a hell of a lot at the door of the lowly BTL ll, the vast majority of whom only own one property. Global economics, market forces and the government dictate salaries and house prices far more than some local man or woman, who has saved up 100k to buy and rent out a second house on a 25 year interest only mortgage.

OP's bleating about being made homeless is pathetic. When you rent a property you are in effect borrowing it from the owner. I presume you were given notice as per the contract? Therefore not made homeless as such. Plus why shouldn't the LL sell their property? It belongs to them!

Mummyoflittledragon

The two months notice is indefensible. Do you seriously not think that tenants should have much longer to find somewhere to live?

I oppose BTL because I don’t think housing should be at the whim of small private landlords. It’s a policy issue, not a personal one.

If we had land galore things might be different. But we don’t. We need to ensure that housing is treated more as a right and less as a nice little earner. Generally, a tenant should have strong rights to remain in place - if they keep their side of the TA - and a landlord should expect not to be able to sell or dictate terms (like rent) unilaterally.

As I said upthread, why shouldn’t a tenant be able to force a sale from a BTL landlord at a suitably reduced figure? We all want somewhere to live without the fear of being turned out for no good reason.

The selling price could be assessed by the Lands Tribunal

Too much state interference for my taste I'm afraid; a rental's a rental, a sale's a sale and I see no reason to confuse the two, especially when no other private owner gets told what price to offer their property at

As I suspected, a lot of this comes down to entitlement ... some "rich b**tard's" got something, someone else thinks they should have the same, so the endless "not faaaiiirrrs!!" get wheeled out yet again

You disapprove of leaseholders rights? Is that all horrible state intervention?

You might as well argue that landlords want it all their own way and shout ‘unfair!’ when someone points out that we don’t have enough homes or land to build them on and tells them that they can either own only one property or become properly regulated landlords.

It always goes this way: BTLers want the rights and income but no real responsibilities.

why shouldn’t a tenant be able to force a sale from a BTL landlord at a suitably reduced figure?

Yep - entitlement

No doubt we'd all agree that food's a basic necessity too, so maybe I should expect supermarkets to sell me my trolley-full at a price I'd prefer as well?

Food’s a bad example. In living memory it was rationed...because there wasn’t enough. Like decent housing today.

When there is enough food, like now, there’s no need for controls.

** why shouldn’t a tenant be able to force a sale from a BTL landlord at a suitably reduced figure?

Can't believe this statement! Why should a LL be forced to sell full stop! Let alone at a reduced rate. Kissing in the Rain do you not realise that many LLs have mortgages??!! We are not all rolling in money you know!
In my case I inherited a property (let's remember that in order to inherit someone has to die! In my case my DM at a relatively young age.)
I was not emotionally ready to sell the property and also wanted to keep it as a financial back-up for the future. (As it happens, it enabled me to leave my abusive husband.) Kissing - what would you have had me do?
However, when I did sell it, I did offer it to the tenants to buy at a reduced price. They were good tenants so I was happy to make them an offer. I'd like to think I was a good LL.

Re: cleaning. Think of it as if there's a benchmark of cleaning on a weekly basis to keep a house pleasant. Some of us do more than that, others do less. That's a personal preference and entirely up to us. However, if you're someone who does less than that benchmark, then you're going to have to expect to make up the shortfall when you move out, so things like deep-cleaning floors and kitchen unit doors/kickboards, light switches, skirting boards etc... will need looking at. If you've kept on top of those things, then you have less to do when you move out.
Where are you on that sliding scale of cleanliness, OP?

OP, you should leave the house as you found it.

Renting is the same as a loan- borrowing at a cost.

If renting I would take photographs on moving in & photographs moving out and ensure any difference was rectified.
If you can’t be bothered to clean then you should pay someone else to do so, regardless of who is ending the contract.

If I were loaning my property whether it be home, a dress, laptop etc I would expect them to take care of it and return in the way it was issued.

Its clear as day the absolute hatred towards the private BTL.
The real wake up call is that the whole stupid idea will very soon be 10x worst as the baby boomer generation die off leaving massive inheritance to their offspring - most of whom will already be on the housing ladder and will gleefully accept the chance to become landlords themselves and let out their newly inherited assets. Once the money starts rolling in, they will undoubtably start to consider buying other properties to let out....and so the cycle begins all over again.

It has to be stopped!

If you want to collect porcelain figurines, stamps or god knows what..fine go right ahead as they are plentiful. But there simply isn't enough housing for people to be selfish, spiteful and mean and decide they want to keep it to themselves.

The whole stupid fucking idea is a massive ticking timebomb...it has to stop!

It's just GREED.
Selfish bastards wanting more than their share - and to hell with everyone else.

Honestly I sincerely hope Brexit DOES happen and this country goes under, wiping the slate clean. Because that seems to be the only way out of this mess.

Money, or the love of money has absolutely no bounds...the more you have...the more you want, as is clearly evident by the whole BTL epidemic.

@Kissinginthrain loads of what you say makes sense it's not right the way tenants are treated all the landlords on here say they work hard for their money wake up so does everyone except that tenants work hard for money to hand it over to someone else who can Chuck them out of their home no questions asked.

And all this stuff about ooh it's the landlords house how dare you, well let them bloody clean it then.

Although I did clean it anyway. It wasn't even dirty because I do the organised mum method LOL it works out because the Frida task that takes longer I have a half day on Friday as work half an hour longer the other four days that's how I get it all done. But I did put effort in got rug dr washed skirting boards and everything not just dusted took me fucking ages and that's with moving house and unpacking and everything I was fucked at the end of that two weeks.

People are strange
To rent a van/car you need deposit, ID, terms & conditions of the loan everyone is OK with this as a personal or business

To rent a property people seem to take it personally, people are evil money making scum

The only difference is what is being loaned

Do you live in a van then? What like a traveller?

People are strange
To rent a van/car you need deposit, ID, terms & conditions of the loan everyone is OK with this as a personal or business

To rent a property people seem to take it personally, people are evil money making scum

The only difference is what is being loaned

What an utterly ridiculous thing to say, has it not passed you by that virtually every damn village, town, city has a plethora of used/new cars & vans that nobody wants or there's to much stock for demand.

The housing crisis is completely the opposite, to try even assuming parallels gives away your stupidity.

I am always amazed at the Landlord hatred on MN, yet so many are prepared to use them!

There is no quick fix for social housing, nothing will change there. If Landlords sold their houses en masse, social housing couldn't afford to buy them and I doubt most of the renters could either unless they have a house deposit handy - so what happens then? That's homeless, not being given notice to leave.

@ChicCroissant - maybe you want to read that through again?

Do you really think what you've written?