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[justasking111]

Was quite shocked to see this. Will this be a test case? Mumsnet is such a tame well run site compared to the comments I see in the online press. Is the writing on the wall for free (cough) speech or is it a culling of trolling. Personally I think that something needs to be done, some folk have no filter or are just plain nasty.

news.yahoo.com/transgender-activist-wins-court-ruling-forcing-parenting-website-reveal-identity-alleged-online-abuser-121317596.html

Our civil liberties are being eroded. New proposed legislation limits internet access. No one is bothered about free speech. Perhaps everyone in agreement with the above should go and live in North Korea and see the difference when everything is censored.

You cannot now ask another person to pop to the bank and pay a check in for you, or so I’m told. How does this help money laundering laws. The cheque is being paid into the correct bank account.

In Oz, there wasn’t even any legislation, some ISPs just decided they would block users access to some previously accessible websites, e.g. KiwiFarms. Whether (general) you agree with their content or not, I don’t think ISPs should have the right to just block content as they see fit.

www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2019/03/isps-in-au-and-nz-start-censoring-the-internet-without-legal-precedent/

You cannot now ask another person to pop to the bank and pay a check in for you, or so I’m told

Bollocks

Really? Two people I know have been refused.

I'l bet they were trying to pay a cheque payable to someone else into their own bank account.

Think about it - you don't need to show id to pay a cheque in, you don't even need to see a cashier - most banks have machines you pay cheques into.

I tried to pay a cheque into my OH's account a while back.

She said she wouldn't accept it because the initials were wrong.

She said his name was M X [surname] not M R [surname].

I said MR stands for Mr, as in Mr, Mrs, Miss etc.

She went bright red and paid it in.

Anyhoo, anyone can pay into an account. There must have been something wrong with the payment itself. Otherwise nobody would be able to do business, if business couldn't pay each other, into their accounts.

It's not bollocks - you can't pay money into someone else's account at a lot of branches now. Came into effect at our local one a few months ago.
Pain in the arse as can't pay into dh's account anymore it has to be him.

If I changed my name and transitioned, are you saying I could:
- Get a new birth certificate with my new name and my sex marker changed
- Get a new passport, ditto
- Driving license, ditto

For a driving licence you just need a statutory declaration and as Man Friday found out this can simply amount to you writing on the form 'I identify as a man'.

For a passport you also need a letter from your GP.

To change your birth certificate you need to apply for a gender recognition certificate. For this, you currently need two medical reports, one of which contains a diagnosis of gender dysphoria. You also need evidence that you have been 'living as' your preferred gender for 2 years. The evidence they are looking for is things like driving licences and passports (see above!) as well as less official documents like payslips, gas bills etc. They suggest sending 5-6 docs to cover the whole of the 2 year period. Full details here:

www.gov.uk/apply-gender-recognition-certificate

Once you have a GRC it's unlawful for anyone to reveal your trans status without your permission if they came by that information in a professional capacity.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/section/22

Last year the government ran a public consultation on whether to change the process of getting a gender recognition certificate to remove the requirement for any diagnosis or doctor's reports, or any evidence of living in the preferred gender, and just require a statutory declaration. The consultation received over 100,000 responses and these are still being analysed.

I pay in cheques using those automatic machines that are in pretty much every bank. You don't need any id to use it, but you do need the card of the account you are paying it into.

Anyhoo, anyone can pay into an account. There must have been something wrong with the payment itself. Otherwise nobody would be able to do business, if business couldn't pay each other, into their accounts.

Nationwide stopped this for cash payments into personal current and savings accounts last year I think. I presume not business accounts. A family member tried to pay money into another persons savings account as a wedding present and it wasn't allowed.

OH seems to think Santander don't allow it either.

But I think there are plenty of people including me who couldn't care less if someone is naked in a changing room, man or woman, they're just getting changed.

Good for you. I do, as a survivor of male sexual violence (not relevant but I thought it might give you pause for thought in your thoughtlessness) Why are my feelings less important than those of males, and why do you think you get to consent on my behalf?

I don't believe Karen White is genuinely trans,

That's convenient. Karen White is as "trans" as anyone else. You appear not to have grasped what self ID means.

A lot of places have cubicles

Sorry pressed too soon - think someone upthread said maybe more cubicles is the way to go, I agree.
That way no'ones excluded, privacy for both women and transwomen who need it

That's convenient. Karen White is as "trans" as anyone else. You appear not to have grasped what self ID means

Did I say I agree with self ID?

Don't remember saying that myself either @SleepingSloth - I don't agree with anyone just self IDing either and never said otherwise on the thread

Don't remember saying that myself either @SleepingSloth - I don't agree with anyone just self IDing either and never said otherwise on the thread

It's annoying the assumptions that get made to suit someone's argument. Oh well.

It's annoying the assumptions that get made to suit someone's argument. Oh well

You are free to expand on what the criteria are that make Karen White not trans, but all other men who identify as women 'genuine' trans.

Go on, do us a favour and explain it. We are not assuming anything we are reacting to your assertion that you accept 'Trans women as women'.

It is your assertion not ours. So explain it.

If you think TWAW, how are we do know you don't mean Karen White?

Don't remember saying that myself either @SleepingSloth - I don't agree with anyone just self IDing either and never said otherwise on the thread

What are your criteria for someone to be a transwoman and therefore 'accepted as a woman' then?

Sorry, quite fail there, that was for LineKiwi.

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If you think TWAW, how are we do know you don't mean Karen White?

You mean apart from me saying earlier that I couldn't care less what Karen White identifies as...scum is scum. I'm pretty sure LimeKiwi agreed with me.