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Anon. members - Forums open to court action??

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justasking111 · 10/04/2019 13:47

Was quite shocked to see this. Will this be a test case? Mumsnet is such a tame well run site compared to the comments I see in the online press. Is the writing on the wall for free (cough) speech or is it a culling of trolling. Personally I think that something needs to be done, some folk have no filter or are just plain nasty.

news.yahoo.com/transgender-activist-wins-court-ruling-forcing-parenting-website-reveal-identity-alleged-online-abuser-121317596.html

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TalkinPaece · 14/04/2019 15:52

sleeping / Lime
Fine, do not join my gym then
but do not force my gym to let men into the ladies changing room

SleepingSloth · 14/04/2019 15:53
  • the person who started the legal action at the top of the thread applied for a job in your child's school would you want to know about the assault conviction they had as a man or would you be happy that the GRC had cured them of such things?*

Aarrrgghhhh....last post. I really do have to go for a while.

Your criminal past should stay with you regardless of GRC, you are still the same person. Whether it's ok legally to put that info on mumsnet, I haven't a clue. It should appear on any sort of security check though, absolutely.

LimeKiwi · 14/04/2019 15:55

How do you feel about a third space for transgender people (and those who don’t care who sees or exposes what) in the meantime?

Not comfortable with othering all transwomen and segregating them into a third space personally

sackrifice · 14/04/2019 15:57

Im sure it would be glaringly obvious to experts, medical professionals etc that Karen White is a risk to women and taking advantage

Obviously not.

Are you aware that the reason that we segregate by sex at all, is because men as a class are a risk to women as a class.

People who say they accept that trans women are women, really need to explain why they think this risk dissolves when they utter the magic words 'i am a woman'.

How does this reduce the risk in any way?

TalkinPaece · 14/04/2019 16:00

Whether it's ok legally to put that info on mumsnet, I haven't a clue.
What about links to the Companies House records?
Should a GRC allow those to be deemed defamatory?

it appears the trans activists want to have their cake and eat it too

FuzzyLilac · 14/04/2019 16:03

I could not give a shit what anyone identifies as.

Female spaces for females only.
Humans cannot change sex.
I dont need 20 reasons why I do not want males in those spaces 1 is enough. They are not female.

If some people dont like that tough shit.

sackrifice · 14/04/2019 16:37

If some people dont like that tough shit

Problem is, you would be removed and potentially have to give your details to a stranger if they take umbridge at this, by law.
Which is the point, that people in power don't seem to have considered the implications of their wokeness.

PencilsInSpace · 14/04/2019 16:38

If a trans person wants to be in the correct prison that is ok.

Assuming by 'correct prison' you mean the prison intended for the opposite sex then no, it's not OK.

Some people seem to think that as long as a tw prisoner is not likely to actually rape or hit female inmates then all is well. This is not OK because women's mental health, privacy and dignity matters as well as their immediate physical safety - especially in situations where a population of already vulnerable women cannot voluntarily leave and where the government is responsible for their welfare.

LimeKiwi · 14/04/2019 17:03

Problem is, you would be removed and potentially have to give your details to a stranger if they take umbridge at this, by law.

If it's targeted abuse at someone online, yes it could be construed as a hate crime, that's the bit some don't don't want to see or admit.
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Prawnofthepatriarchy · 14/04/2019 17:06

Not comfortable with othering all transwomen and segregating them into a third space personally.

I'm perfectly comfortable with the expectation that each sex sticks to its own lane, LimeKiwi. I don't agree that it's othering to treat men who identify as women as the men they are in the context of spaces that are single sex for the privacy, dignity and safety of users.

We segregate on the basis of sex, not gender identity. Segregating by gender identity makes as much sense as segregating by star sign. Men as a class represent a risk to the safety as women as a class. There is no evidence that transition reduces the risk men pose to women, indeed what evidence we have suggests the opposite may be true.

Plus if we're going to endorse every identity and men who identify as women use women-only spaces then where do non binary people go? And agender or genderfree individuals are presumably not entitled to use anywhere at all.

sackrifice · 14/04/2019 17:14

If it's targeted abuse at someone online, yes it could be construed as a hate crime, that's the bit some don't don't want to see or admit.

We do see it, that's the point.

If I say Karen White is a man, you say that's a hate crime.

I say 'pretending to be a woman to get into jail and rape women' - that's a hate crime.

You say 'I accept them as women'. I say 'why's that then?'

But you can't explain why. Ever.

LimeKiwi · 14/04/2019 17:19

A poster upthread said this, and I agree - these threads are utterly pointless.
You don't accept transwomen as being women. Fine. Others do accept them.
They just go round in circles.

TalkinPaece · 14/04/2019 17:24

Limekiwi
Would you be happy for the person in the opening post to pass a DBS check to work with your child because they had not included convictions incurred when they were a man?

sackrifice · 14/04/2019 17:30

A poster upthread said this, and I agree - these threads are utterly pointless.You don't accept transwomen as being women. Fine. Others do accept them.They just go round in circles.

A good reason for this is because you can't substantiate what it is you are spouting.

Or why you are willing to throw away womens' and girls' rights to privacy and dignity on their behalf.

We ask questions and you pretend you don't understand why we can't understand your answers when you never give any. [Because you know, and we know - you don't have any].

LimeKiwi · 14/04/2019 17:30

I agree with the bit of sloth's post saying of course if there was anything by anyone it should show up on checks.
I don't think anyone has said otherwise

sackrifice · 14/04/2019 17:32

I agree with the bit of sloth's post saying of course if there was anything by anyone it should show up on checks.

How would it, if a completely new name is given?

Do you even know how DBS works?

A DBS checking 'Nicola Huntley' would find nothing of note.

TalkinPaece · 14/04/2019 17:33

Limekiwi
I don't think anyone has said otherwise
Que?
The defamation action is about "deadnaming"
ie stating the original name of a person
who has criminal and civil convictions

can you not see how tightly linked that is to protection of the vulnerable ?

LimeKiwi · 14/04/2019 17:33

A good reason for this is because you can't substantiate what it is you are spouting.

Nope, it's just that if it's not woman = biology only, or the old fave woman adult human female, you (general you) stick your fingers in your ears.
See? Circles. Been said already on the thread, it's on loop.

LimeKiwi · 14/04/2019 17:35

How would it, if a completely new name is given?

I said I agree that names should show up and no-one is saying otherwise.

TalkinPaece · 14/04/2019 17:37

Limekiwi
So stating the former name of a trans activist is not defamation
you'd agree?
especially where any sort of safeguarding is concerned?

FuzzyLilac · 14/04/2019 17:38

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sanluca · 14/04/2019 17:38

A poster upthread said this, and I agree - these threads are utterly pointless.
You don't accept transwomen as being women. Fine. Others do accept them.
They just go round in circles.

Ok, some people accept TWAW, some don't. So question for everybody is can someone say online they see transwomen as still male?

Also, do the people who accept TWAW, does that mean they are included in the biological sex based protections of women? Do transwomen in all cases, without exception, have the same rights as women ? So does that mean someone like Karen White belongs in a female prison? Can any transwomen, regardless of treatment, purely based on self id, participate in womens sports, even when it is dangerous for women? Can a transwomen speak on behalf of women and womens experiences, even when it comes to something like sexism, pregnancies, maternity leave, menopause? If someone asks for a female nurse, can they decline a transwomen?

I am just curious if there are limitations for the TWAW.

werideatdawn · 14/04/2019 17:44

Is there anywhere other than mumsnet where someone completely freaked out and confused by both sides of the argument can actually read and get factual information?

sackrifice · 14/04/2019 17:45

Is there anywhere other than mumsnet where someone completely freaked out and confused by both sides of the argument can actually read and get factual information?

What is confusing you?

What do you mean 'facts'? Like biological facts or compelled speech facts?

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