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Anon. members - Forums open to court action??

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justasking111 · 10/04/2019 13:47

Was quite shocked to see this. Will this be a test case? Mumsnet is such a tame well run site compared to the comments I see in the online press. Is the writing on the wall for free (cough) speech or is it a culling of trolling. Personally I think that something needs to be done, some folk have no filter or are just plain nasty.

news.yahoo.com/transgender-activist-wins-court-ruling-forcing-parenting-website-reveal-identity-alleged-online-abuser-121317596.html

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SleepingSloth · 14/04/2019 15:14

It's not equality at all. The transwoman can use changing rooms for their biological sex. That distresses and excludes no one.

Well it does, it distresses the trans woman, a woman.

Besides - why the hell should I have to change in front of a male? Especially ones who have stamped their feet and threatend suicide to get access to this area. But not taken any medication/had any surgery or even had a bloody shave.

Well, I expect most trans women do try to present as women.

Equality? What is equal about being a woman being locked up with a known rapist?

My comment about equality was about changing rooms, not Karen white. Please read my posts.

Why are so many of you so willfully negligent that you will accept a known rapist in a women's prison because he says so?

If that's aimed at me, please read my posts. I've said the opposite.

sackrifice · 14/04/2019 15:14

Plenty of people aren't juggling about under a towel, they're happy to strip off and bare all. That might include our quiet transwoman. Whose actions now mean several other users cannot use the gym/pool any longer.

In the rush to be 'oh so liberal and inclusive', the one thing that is obvious is that the people being excluded with this 'inclusive policy' are the really vulnerable people, who desperately need the safe space that has now been obliterated.

You'd have though those liberals who want for example, Muslim women to be able to access facilities would be up in arms; but turns out they are all about handing men the key. Baffling.

rightreckoner · 14/04/2019 15:15

I tend to be hyper aware of penises that are in spaces where women are undressing or vulnerable. Why wouldn’t I be?

sackrifice · 14/04/2019 15:15

Well it does, it distresses the trans woman, a woman.

Great.

What is it about Karen White, the rapist, that makes you think he is a woman? I can post the photo again if you can't remember what he looks like.

TalkinPaece · 14/04/2019 15:16

Limekiwi
People probably do just throw everything off, and if they do, I was saying does anybody really look that closely at others private parts? I know I don't!
Testicles and a penis do not look like any vulva I've ever seen
so in the ladies changing room as people are standing around chatting and getting dressed it would be pretty obvious

why should the bloke with the name change be able to go where the other blokes cannot ?

rightreckoner · 14/04/2019 15:17

And nice try at conflating equality with access to everything. That’s not what equality means not what the EA says.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 14/04/2019 15:18

it distresses the trans woman, a woman

Firstly a TW is a TW not a W
Secondly - so 50% ish of the population should step aside for a tiny % of the male population. A lot more women would be disadvantaged (by excluding themselves from these spaces) than TW would benefit.

And as for TM - how many are you happy to see being sexually abused in a male changing rooms before you reconsider this ‘if you feelz like a woman then you can have access to women only spaces?’

sackrifice · 14/04/2019 15:19

why should the bloke with the name change be able to go where the other blokes cannot?

He doesn't even need a name change.

A man can now stand naked in the middle of a female changing rooms 'massaging lotion' into his erect penis; and if you called anyone to protest it - he just has to say 'but I am a woman' and it would be you that would be accused of a hate crime.

And loads of you on here are totally fine with that. Unbelievable.

titchy · 14/04/2019 15:20

I was saying does anybody really look that closely at others private parts? I know I don't!

Yet there you go again - you don't look at others private parts so no one else notices anything either.

No one is saying other women make a point at looking at others' genital, but I'm pretty sure most would notice a cock and balls.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 14/04/2019 15:23

As some said above - there are enough creeps who would self ID purely to get their jollies in a woman’s changing room. If a woman can’t challenge then the damage is done by the time a facility has complaints of a man on the ladies gawping, commenting, wanking etc before they can actually do anything about it. Back to Karen White. The upper hand is always with the male. I wonder why 🤔

SleepingSloth · 14/04/2019 15:30

What is it about Karen White, the rapist, that makes you think he is a woman?

I've already said I couldn't care less what Karen White identifies as.....scum is scum. I don't believe Karen White is genuinely trans, I'm sure no one here does. If procedures were followed, I'm sure this would have been identified. A small minority will always take advantage of situations, we need to make sure these people don't slip through the net. I've also said I don't know if trans women should be in womens prisons if they've committed a lesser offence. That does not mean that every trans person is not genuine and doesn't deserve to be called preferred pronouns etc.

I feel like these threads just go around in circles, but if people like me stop posting, they get accused of running away. Sometimes it's just pointless though as we'll never agree. That's fine, as I've said before, I'm really not here to try to change anyone's opinion and I'm really not bothered that people think differently to me.

titchy · 14/04/2019 15:32

Even if we take extremists like KW out of the equation, think of the situation more generally.

One course of action means person A is happy, but also that multiple other people feel vulnerable, and means that a few people will no longer be able to access something positive.

The other course of action means A is the only one who feels vulnerable, but doesn't stop them, or anyone else, accessing something positive.

Which course of action is the correct one?

TalkinPaece · 14/04/2019 15:33

A PP posted a picture of Jan Morris

  • who has always been utterly open about the path they took from Jim to Jan
  • who had full surgery many years ago
  • who is now in a civil partnership with their ex wife

thus utterly unconnected to the lies and aggression of the person about whom this thread was started

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 14/04/2019 15:33

I don't believe Karen White is genuinely trans

Who is to judge of they think they are or not? What makes you think that you know if Karen is a her or a she more than Karen’s themaevels does?

See the problem there? Self ID is just that.

SleepingSloth · 14/04/2019 15:36

Which course of action is the correct one?

I think we should always strive to make everyone feel comfortable. Everyone matters after all. So individual cubicles are the way to go in changing rooms.

sackrifice · 14/04/2019 15:38

I don't believe Karen White is genuinely trans

Lol.

Seriously? So any man can say they are a woman and only the ones that go on to sexually assault or rape women are then 'not genuine'?

How many women need to be raped or sexually assaulted before a man can be declared 'not genuine trans'?

For those women raped by 'not genuine trans' where was the safeguarding, where was the duty of care and how dare you throw other women's safety out the door just to be 'woke'.

Bigearringsbigsmile · 14/04/2019 15:39

The number of threads that occur on mumsnet where people complain about boys being brought into women's changing rooms is big. The general consensus us usually that boys over 8 should have to go into the men's room.
But we're all supposed to be OK with an adult man who says he is a woman despite all physical evidence to rhe contrary is not only ok but to think otherwise is a hate crime?

TalkinPaece · 14/04/2019 15:40

sleepingsloth
I think we should always strive to make everyone feel comfortable. Everyone matters after all. So individual cubicles are the way to go in changing rooms.
You might want that.
The members of my gym do not.
We like to stand around and natter while getting dressed.

SleepingSloth · 14/04/2019 15:42

Im sure it would be glaringly obvious to experts, medical professionals etc that Karen White is a risk to women and taking advantage.

LimeKiwi · 14/04/2019 15:42

I've already said I couldn't care less what Karen White identifies as.....scum is scum

Agree

TalkinPaece · 14/04/2019 15:44

Sleepingsloth
If the person who started the legal action at the top of the thread
applied for a job in your child's school
would you want to know about the assault conviction they had as a man
or would you be happy that the GRC had cured them of such things?

SleepingSloth · 14/04/2019 15:48

We like to stand around and natter while getting dressed

Well I know plenty of women, and men, who don't want this. They want private cubicles. So where does that leave us? Why do you and your friends wants take priority over the people I know? Wink This could go on forever, like I said it pointless.

I need to go and do other things now, I better not say what as it will be quoted later as excuses for running away. Definitely not running away, just life getting in the way of mumsnet. Wink

LimeKiwi · 14/04/2019 15:50

Well I know plenty of women, and men, who don't want this

Me for one, I can't think of anything worse than all hanging out nekkid having a natter in the middle of the changing rooms, give us a cubicle any day

SmileEachDay · 14/04/2019 15:50

What about refuges?

Let’s look at Canada, where self ID was snuck in under the radar recently.

The Vancouver Rape Relief centre won’t get its funding extended beyond this year because it refuses to admit trans identifying men. It took the position that the traumatised, vulnerable women would be further traumatised by sharing spaces with male bodied people.

The efforts to cut these funds were led by local trans activists particularly Morgane

Oger.

The crowing and delight on line following this decision was breathtakingly awful.

PlasmaRain · 14/04/2019 15:51

I don’t believe KW is genuinely trans

But...but...KW says KW is genuinely trans. Again, how do we differentiate between those who say they are but aren’t and those who say they are and are when self-ID necessarily means we have to accept both kinds?

Individual cubicles are the way to go in changing rooms Great if and when that happens everywhere and in every facility but until it does? How do you feel about a third space for transgender people (and those who don’t care who sees or exposes what) in the meantime?