6 million and still rising . . . Time to revoke?

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O please lets do that. Revoke, rethink and re- refer.

I'm a staunch Remainer, but I don't think the petition counts for much. It's less useful than an opinion poll (and those are only useful to a point).

I do suspect that Remain voters may now be more energized than they were at the time of the referendum though.

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean by this. I'm not playing gotcha, or trying to paint leavers as racists. I just want to know how a sample of leavers see the EU/UK relationship after brexit so I might be able to see common ground.

If you have evaluated the discussion as much as you like to infer then you would have come by many reasons as to why someone could possibly vote leave, and in the recent 2 years come across what leave means to some. your question itself is a tired meme at this point.

I'm a staunch Remainer, but I don't think the petition counts for much

Totally agree, it’s worth the square root of fuck all sadly

The petition itself, no, but added to our million plus on the streets last week, plus the crowd funded LedByDonkeys campaign, shows that we haven't gone away. People won't be able to say that it happened because no one objected - because we did.

We haven't seen a great lot from Leavers who won, except Farage's paltry bus ride/march and protests with violence on Friday, plus the disgraceful treatment of Dominic Grieve, which all Leavers should either be roundly condemning or saying not in my name.

The petition means very little and means even less considering the amount of Mns on here encouraging their children to sign as there is no lower age limit for petitions. There's even a thread in the Brexit section about getting as many signatures as poss. no mater who they are.

If you have evaluated the discussion as much as you like to infer then you would have come by many reasons as to why someone could possibly vote leave, and in the recent 2 years come across what leave means to some. your question itself is a tired meme at this point.

I've seen plenty of reasons given for leaving, some of which I could agree with, others not so much

I've read leave means leave, brexit means brexit, we're leaving get over it. However I've not heard a leaver explain how they want the EU/UK relationship after brexit to be.

If this question has become a meme, is it because it's been asked so many times with no answer?

justanotheurker I think it’s worse than nothing actually. It didn’t take off as expected and is a bit embarrassing really 😬

randomchap No, I’ve heard the answer to this many times. They want the country how it used to be.

Why wouldn't children sign a petition that indicates public opinion?

An MP doesn't only represent their electorate they represent all their constituents. Therefore all constituents have the right to express opinions and let people in power know how they feel.

By itself the petition has no power but it serves a function to tell MPs what the strength of opinion is in the country.

By itself the petition has no power but it serves a function to tell MPs what the strength of opinion is in the country.

Not a lot as it happens.

Don't forget that these children will grow up - some of whom will come onto the electoral registers within the next couple of years.

They want the country how it used to be.

But that's not answering the question, I want to know how they envision the post brexit EU/UK relationship.

I'll stop asking now, it's probably boring for everyone.

Not a lot as it happens

The largest petition the U.K. has seen a dot carries no weight in your opinion.

I think it is important people engage in citizenship action. One of the big issues with Brexit is people feel their voice is not heard and these people are dismissing action by others.

We criticise our politicians but we can only hold them to account by engaging with the process. Signing petitions, writing letter, marching, lobbying all make politicians aware they are accountable.

Sitting back and being cynical, dismissing others people's action is really easy. Engaging and trying to make a difference is hard. If you criticise politicians for not listening don't dismiss people trying to make their views heard.

Signing petitions, writing letter, marching, lobbying all make politicians aware they are accountable.

Indeed and having had an MP like that who happily thought she could ignore her constituents, we booted her out at the last election, overturning her comfortable majority. This is more difficult in those seats where either the Tories or Labour have huge majorities, but then look to Scotland where in 2015 the SNP almost wiped out the three major parties. If you had told me this would happen back in say 1985, I would have thought it preposterous.

The truth is that we will find out how much weight it has with parliament when it is debated.

It was time to revoke A50 when one person signed it!

The petition won't have much weight with parliament because politicians don't listen.

One of the reasons they don't listen is the easy cynicism so many have. When so many people dismiss, marches and politicians and claim they count for nothing it is easy for politicians to do that.

When the public dismiss children voting because even though they are constituents they are not members of the electorate it is easier for politicians to do so.

We have the politicians and the political life we deserve and the casual dismissal of people engaging in citizenship action by so many and the sniggering cynicism helps the politicians who don't care.

@PennyArcadewhen you say "For the hard of thinking...A petition is not a vote" - do you actually mean election

Umm...no...I mean someone who signs a dodgy online petition is not casting a vote as per parliamentary procedure . Do you have a problem with that?

Windowsareforcheaters
The petition won't have much weight with parliament because politicians don't listen.

It has been this way for years.

One of the reasons they don't listen is the easy cynicism so many have. When so many people dismiss, marches and politicians and claim they count for nothing it is easy for politicians to do that.

And call people racists, xenophobes, etc. to stop debate (not actually aimed at anyone on the thread its been going on for years)

We have the politicians and the political life we deserve

Yep

and the casual dismissal of people engaging in citizenship action by so many

On both sides.

and the sniggering cynicism helps the politicians who don't care.

Yep, but then when you have career politicians this is what happens.

When the public dismiss children voting because even though they are constituents they are not members of the electorate it is easier for politicians to do so

The mind boggles how someone as dense as this is allowed to vote in the best interest of the UK. I give up! MN at it's finest... 🤦‍♀️

I agree with much of what Peregrina and Windows have already said.

No-one is expecting the government to look at the petition and say 'we'd better revoke...' That would be daft. But those people saying the petition has made no difference are kidding themselves: it has been reported in every major newspaper/ tv programme and on every major news site in this country. It has also been noticed and reported overseas. That, in itself, is valuable because it demonstrates that despite what TM says many of 'the people' do not want her to 'get on' with Brexit. There is huge opposition to leaving the EU. Huge. The People's Vote march was also widely reported here and abroad. If you think that makes 'no difference' you are deluding yourselves.

I signed the petition. However I take the number of signatures with a huge pinch of salt. How many of those signatures have been signed by people who are living abroad/ not British citizens? How many fake/ duplicate signatures. I bet there are a fair few. People on both sides are getting desperate now.

Boney both sides are being cynical but I believe the weight of action on the remain side is more positive. More Remainers are engaging in the process, too little too late it could be argued but at least we are seeing engagement.

I am irritated by the sloppy easily thrown out cynicism, like referring to the petition as 'dodgy'. The causal way the actions of others are dismissed and belittled this is one of the reasons many leavers give for voting leave doing so in frustration, that feeling that their voice was of no value.

It is a shame now - in this instance - that leavers are dismissing and belittling the actions of fellow citizens who are trying to make their voice heard. It may well happen the other way round but that is not the example being discussed.

The petition should not change policy in and of itself but it sets an agenda and gives an indication of public feeling. If we give in to the cynicism and do nothing we become part of the problem.

@PennyArcade you make rude and dismissive comments about me in your post but you totally fail to address the issue.

If I said something incorrect: When the public dismiss children voting because even though they are constituents they are not members of the electorate please explain what was incorrect.

Children are constituents, an MP doesn't represent just their electorate they represent all constituents.

Children will often become members of the electorate so their option is valid and worthy of consideration.

Please tell me exactly what is incorrect about these statements.

Leavers all; you have been royally rogered. If you can't see it then you'll just have to put up with the results. You wont like them but hey, you can always blame other people, why change what you're used to? You have put your faith in chancers, charlatans, spivs and conmen. Your country is a market stall with Del boy flogging off its assets to the highest bidders. You have sold the future of your children and will have to explain ton them one day why you did so.