To think this could be the end of brexit as mps take control of the process from the PM

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Theresa may now really cant go for a hard brexit, anyone else think it's brexit cancelled?

Glad my MP doesn’t slavishly follow what the swivel eyed loons who vote for him want.

Stealth lies are fed on both sides.

I don't know anyone who voted because of the side of the bus.
What the bus representatived...was that money paid to the EU, some of it to be given back...

Was something we can do whatever we want with.
Wow. To do whatever we want with our own money.

I rest my case.

No you don't @onlykidding, this is UKIP territory, one of the local town councils has no other party on it.

It is their responsibility to represent the clear, unambiguous wishes of the majority

In constitutional terms that would be a delegate not a representative. It's slightly confusing as the way the word - representative - is used in common parlance is not the same as it is constitutional terms.

We elect a representative who then acts by following their conscience that is why MPs can change party and not face re-election. If we had delegates they would do what they were delegated to do.

Of the people for the People

The American constitution differs in several ways to the U.K. constitution so I am unsure why you would quote Lincoln in the context of a discussion of the British Parliamentary system.

Only kidding. I’ve never been impolite to anyone based on their political choices.. I voted remain. I have good friends who voted Leave. We haven’t fallen out over it and I do respect their views.
The demographics are facts though. It’s also fact that the leave campaign told lies and fiddled expenses. There was Russian involvement. And it isn’t the
Labour Party or remainers who have stopped Brexit.. that is down to Theresa May and her Government , and to the Brexiteers in Parliament.
It is difficult to. Gauge the mood of the country , but. A lot of people have signed the petition..
It does also seem to be a. Consensus that leaving the Eu willlead to economic downturn. My main concern has always been for peace. I think a united Europe has more chance against Russia, China and the US..
That’s all

many thanks time4 - I've only had a quick glance and no chance to cross-reference.

I'm just trying to understand why the 'backstop' is such a sticking-point for those that might otherwise support WA. Is their a real valid reason for this that we, 'joe public', can't really hear because there's too much noise going on?

Does anyone here know more about this?

Because the backstop throws the Good Friday agreement into jeopardy and it's the hard fought for agreement that finally drew a line under the Troubles in Northern Ireland - which voted Remain. It's a massive deal.

Ok - thanks for your opinion/perspective also - which is worth as much as anyone else's is in all their myriad of forms. Just asking if anyone knew any specific info about the EU's No Deal prep/arrangements for the NI/ROI Border, because they've certainly formulated some.

I could probably Google around tomorow, just busy and lazily thought that someone else might have picked up on the little factoid too.

I hope so!

It's been said time and again that Ireland don't want a hard border, UK don't want a hard border and EU don't want a hard border. It will be interesting to see what plan they do have in a 'no deal' scenario. This is the only 'no deal' EU paper that has not been released it would appear. Could it be that there won't be a hard border but they don't want that on public record yet whilst the WA is still a possibility? Because the backstop keeps us more than in than out?

Of course, if you think I'm talking out of my a**se I'm sure you won't hold back

@time4chocolate WTO rules require you to have control over your economic area. Not wanting a thing isn't the same as not ending up with it. I didn't want a cold this winter. I still got one.

Bellini Im not talking about the WTO though, that’s a different discussion. I’m specifically talking about what plan the EU have for the Irish border in a no-Deal situation that doesn’t actually involve a hard border.

And would the EU's no deal plan for the border be any different to anything that has already been discussed in negotiations and subsequently declined as being unacceptable/unworkable. I'm intrigued but of course we may never know.

Interesting thoughts.

Asked will there be checkpoints at Irish border, EU official says: 'Controls have to be done where they belong but doesn't mean we'd want to see visible infrastructure. We're working v closely with Irish authorities to try & perform controls away from border if at all possible.'

According to Nick Gutteridge, twitter.

Sorry, above refers to a no deal scenario.

No! Brexit has to go ahead with a No Deal - no matter what the vote was in Parliament.

I really don't care if the Martians come and take over.....

Good Del Amitri reference there

This seems apt right now:

I don't mind if you come or go
I don't mind if you say no
Couldn't care less, baby let it flow
'Cause I don't care at all
Na na na-na-na...

I honestly think that if all parties had united rather than half trying to cancel it , there may be a deal by now!

The revoke Petition is rubbish - only 6 million signed. Is that a joke? Over 16 million I think voted to remain and this petition had no way of blocking outside uk or under 18. So I’m guessing it’s prob half that in real terms. Anyone would have signed it with a fake email and postcode! That’s actually a pitiful amount to sign it!

It’s a joke!

Poor little hissy fitty leavers and their love of exclamation marks.

No! Brexit has to go ahead with a No Deal - no matter what the vote was in Parliament.

Except it doesn't.

Doesn’t change the fact greataunt

The petition is embarrassing for remain

The Remain petition is the most signed petition on parliament's website.

The Leave with No Deal petitions on the other hand...