To think this could be the end of brexit as mps take control of the process from the PM

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Theresa may now really cant go for a hard brexit, anyone else think it's brexit cancelled?

able to trade and work with the whole world as this is isnt the 19th century.

The EU is a 20th century invention. The UK traded with, for example, the Antipodes in the 19th century.

As for Its only on mn people want to remain - what bollocks.

I don't know a SINGLE leave voter.

hope so

I can’t understand the arguments for people switching from Remain to Leave. How on earth does it look like the better option? I don’t think the E.U. have acted like bullies at all. They’ve been very reasonable and more than understanding given the nonsense they’ve had to listen to.

There seems to be a really deep seated misunderstanding that the UK loses money by being in the EU. Understandably people then conclude that we can ill afford this at a time of austerity. Paying a lot of money in only to receive a smaller amount of it back (and under someone else’s rules) seems absurd, right? Why not keep all of the money and cut out the middleman?

Yes, the UK is a “net contributor” in this narrow sense. Just like I am a “net contributor” to the government because I pay more taxes than I receive benefits. However my taxes pay for a share in many services that would be hugely expensive and impractical for me to pay for and organise all by myself, and I profit from the rule of law.

Germany is the biggest net contributor to the EU. It is also a hugely successful exporting nation, all within the existing trade deals the EU has been able to achieve around the world because together the EU nations have much bigger clout then any one of us would have on our own.

The UK profits by about 7 pounds of extra revenue generated per 1 pound payed into the EU.

{Leave would really help countries outside the eu encluding africa who cant compete with the heavy tariffs eu has put on their goods.}

Many poorer countries actually have tariff free trade with the EU for specific goods, the ones that they rely on to keep their economies going.

Failure to understand what the EU does and how it works is particularly common among leave voters, especially if it doesn't follow the daily rag agenda.
It is also very noticeable that leave supporters have no idea how the UK is going to actually improve anything when it leaves. For a start replacement activities will have to be found for the EU reliant jobs close (car manufacture, financial industry etc) and THEN having done that to get the finance together, work needs to start on regeneration.
I have not seen any suggestions of plans to do this. There are suggestions that HS2 might not get further than Birmingham, so that is a waste of £60 Billion or whatever it is now.
The UK should have been leaving on Friday, but the 'nasty' EU has given the UK an extra 2 weeks because the UK is incapable of making it's mind up. This does not bode well for the 'greatest deals ever' which will be essential if the UK is not to starve, or at least serious rationing.
Over to the leavers to start the ball rolling, you have just over 2 weeks.

I can remember the riots and civil disobedience following the implementation of the poll tax however, I do not think there will be such behaviour if we do not leave. If we do not leave I will protest by annually witholding an amount of tax due equal to the amount of money I personally contribute to the EU each year. I realise I may be prosecuted for this but it is the only way I feel able to make a protest.

americandream really? A tad too dramatic I think! People in this country are far too apathetic for civil war!!

People who promise riots and civil war remind me of all the FB warriors who jumped on the bandwagon of those sad high profile cases in recent years involving further treatment of terminally ill children. They got very hyped up and promised that there would be mass demonstrations and rioting outside the courts, but every time it came down to around 20 people at most waving a few banners and balloons around. Although they could get fairly high numbers to persecute the unfortunate medical staff and patients going into the hospitals in question, that was only at weekends, and even then the attraction seemed to lie more in having a bit of a party with bouncy castles etc laid on. Once the relevant stories were no longer headline news, they all lost interest or went looking for the next sensation.

She's incapable of flexible thinking and she's said she won't allow anything that's not in the Tory manifesto

Regarding the manifesto, I've no doubt you're right about Theresa May's behaviour but it's such a thin justification when you think they didn't even have a majority based on that manifesto. If you don't get a majority, you have to see if you can form a coalition and then you go to the Queen and tell her you can form a government. But is that government really obliged or even morally entitled to try and deliver the manifesto that didn't actually get them a majority? I don't think so. You can't argue that a majority of constituencies or voters wanted it.

There will not be a civil war if it's cancelled. Brexiteers have already proven that they can't organise a piss up in a brewery with that hilarious 'go slow' last week. All it served to do was piss off everyone, even many leave voters! Pathetic.

I wish!!

AnyFucker

I seriously worry how much some people do not understand how easily our employment, disability, maternity, cultural, sex-based etc rights can be taken away. And how there are folks waiting in the wings to do just that.

Yes. It worries me that people don’t realise how much we have to lose.

It’s also quite sad that some responses on this thread are vows ‘never to vote again’. Apart from the irony of not participating in the democracy leavers claim to hold so dear, this is just so defeatist and silly.

Seconds until AmericanDream wakes up and decides to get back on the device that allows access to MumsNet.

Ten.....nine......

Has any other country ever left the Eu? Did they all die too? Did all jobs dry up?

Do any other countries want to leave the eu? In the future? Will there be an Eu in 20 or 50 years?

Do all countries in Europe belong to the Eu? Are the people dying in those places?

I suspect the only violence and rioting will come from neo nazis. Let's pander to them and see where it gets us eh? Nazis calling MP's nazis with no irony whatsoever and no understanding of what the nazis were or their own history.

That Nigel Farage

The NF who has campaigned to make Britain leave the EU but gets his kids german passports cos you know integrity, that one?

No other country has left the EU. We were the sick man of Europe before we joined the EU. All our infrastructure, our trade deals with other countries, our employment and consumer law for the past 40 years have assumed EU membership. We can't replicate what countries that were never in the EU do because they were never in it. FWIW, most of the countries bordering the EU have free trade agreements and free movement with the EU.

If we end up remaining, that many leavers will pretend to be disappointed and grumble a bit, but actually be relieved that they don't have to be seen to change their minds.

Please check out FullFacts for a more accurate figure.
Clue - it's nowhere near one million

This is being discussed on another thread, with a very good point from theleements that fullfacts is talking bollocks

Noodle.Greenland left the EU in 1982 following a referendum.

Its only on mn people want to remain

I don't reckon thats true...at all

Guy Fawkes is frequently invoked. (People miss that he was unsuccessful

Yeah but at least they’d get to wear a cool mask!

It's not true.

The vast numbers marching proves it.

Leavers aren't so good with the facts, though.

Has any other country ever left the Eu

Yeah, like Greenland. Algeria left as part of becoming independent from France.

Do any other countries want to leave the eu

Netherlands isn't all that fond of Europe these days, nor is Denmark. But neither of their governments is stupid enough to offer them a vote on it. Poland and Hungary talk a good game but their mad governments are happier in the EU using it as a scapegoat and taking the development cash than outside actually having to take responsibility for the problems in their countries

Will there be an Eu in 20 or 50 years
probably

Do all countries in Europe belong to the Eu

There are a bunch of countries in Europe that aren't in the EU. They're all either

1. EFTA/bilateral treaty signatories (EU rule takers; have free movement)
2. Countries that are currently in some stage of accession into the EU
3. Tax havens
4. Really poor countries
5. Dictatorships

There's a bit of overlap in some of those categories

So what happened to Greenland? Are they all dead? And did food run out?