To think this could be the end of brexit as mps take control of the process from the PM

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Theresa may now really cant go for a hard brexit, anyone else think it's brexit cancelled?

Bollocks will there be a civil war if Brexit is cancelled. There were about 70 people on the Sunderland march. Leavers can't hold the country to ransom because of a narrow 'victory' in an advisory referendum.

This all happened already in Switzerland, as I never tire of saying on these threads. In 2014 Switzerland had a popular referendum (i.e. one demanded by the people, in Switzerland you can make a referendum happen by getting a petition of 50,000 signatures) to restrict free movement with the EU. Switzerland is not in the EU but a series of interconnected treaties give them free movement and single market access for some but not all goods and services. Anyway they/we voted to restrict free movement. The government went away and talked to the EU, sought legal opinions etc and came back and said we're not doing it, it would mean breaking this international treaty (and would be bad news for the economy).
Well, the people were up in arms, as you can imagine. What kind of anti-democratjc stance is that, to take the result of a referendum and check if it's practical before implementing it? International treaties be damned. Right, we'll have another vote, to change the law so that governments are forced to implement referendum decisions even if they break treaties. Take back control, etc.

The Swiss voted against. (I was a Swiss citizen by then, so I'm happy to say I helped with that one). As it turned out, although there were a few noisy hard-line "boot the foreigners out at any cost" types organising these referenda, the majority of Swiss felt either that free movement was fine, or that while it might have disadvantages (house prices are eyewateringly high compared to ten years ago) those weren't large enough to make them want to come out of the bilateral treaties with the EU and cause disruption and maybe job losses etc. And so it will be with Brexit, IMO. Whether we end up with a soft Brexit or another vote I think you'll find that a large chunk of last time's leavers will feel that while they might have wanted to leave the EU if that was going to be simple and straightforward ("easiest trade negotiations in history", "they need us more than we need them", "350 million for the NHS"), if it's as hard as it seems to be turning out to be (they've had three years, the parliament voted for Article 50, they wanted to be able to pass a deal, if this was in any way easy it would be done and dusted by now) then we would be better off staying after all.

It won’t be cancelled but it won’t kick off at all if it is.

There will be a few grumbles. But nothing like the increased bad mood if economic decline hits the people at the bottom even more than it does now.

The inequality that Brussels causes apparently and that Brexit will fix - when that doesn’t happen and there’s less of everything it’ll be more motivating than revoke.

"The People" are bored now

The people who voted Leave in my family
1) are already dead same here
2) are racist bigots ditto
3) are hard of thinking and this
4) regret their vote don’t have any of these see point 2&3

Only read first 100 comments but liked this one very much:

Whenever I hear people promising to never vote again if Brexit doesn’t happen I feel rather heartened that something good might come out of this mess

Cheers @3in4years and @notsodimwit. Every now and then you feel you do want to try and put forward some rational arguments.

Everyone who has said that Brexit would have an adverse effect on our worker’s rights is absolutely correct.
The reason that the UK has such stringent Employment legislation is because of our membership of the EU.

Working tiime, sex discrimination,, pregnancy related discrimination rights etc would be gradually eroded.
So all those people who believe that Brexit will not affect them are being extremely naive.
My qualification- Employment lawyer with over twenty years of experience.

Well if we have to have EU elections, there will hordes of people voting because of their new found interest in macroeconomics and voting.

@toomuchtooold good point and exactly right. I do feel leaving leaves the UK with less power than staying and taking a harsher line from within the Union.

No one is going to riot that has never rioted before. Why? Because we’re British and it’s all too embarrassing. So all the leave voters who are threatening to kick off the most you will do is send some antagonistic and poorly structured meme on Facebook and perhaps be a bit more offhand with your Polish neighbour. Then you will settle back to your same narrow minded life and routine.

Glad you worked out what I was trying to see through autocorrect and blurry sleep eyes.

If our leaders haven't worked out the best way forward yet, why don't they revoke article 50, and then re-invoke it once they have?

Btw pbobs- great post

Staunch remainer here! The worry is that there's loads of people like @americandream who are absolutely FURIOUS about the concept of Brexit being cancelled - but without having any idea why. They're just really angry and they haven't followed the Brexit thread further than 'we had a vote'. They don't care what economists are saying or the huge violations made by Vote Leave or the minutiae of the negotiations, they just know we had a vote and now it's not going the way they thought, and they're all whipping each other up into a frenzy about it without really knowing why.

Backwoods girl will be fine holed up in her shack in the US with her 8 family guns to keep her safe. I fear backwoods is submitting to the US 'we're all gonna die, kill something quickly' paranoia that holds for some over there. For those of us who live here with all that's happening, fingers crossed and a nice cup of tea for now.

@americandream

My boyfriend is one that wants a hard brexit and so does his mates. I showed him and a couple of his mates your comment and they laughed and said fuck that.

They literally can't be bothered to get off their backsides and riot over it. They'd rather stay in with a beer (or pub) and watch the football. 😂

The longer Brexit is delayed, the faster the Leavers will die of disappointment. Sounds good to me.

If it is cancelled I will never vote again.

Good, if you voted for this shit show.

Peanut, as others posters have said, human rights are there because if the EU.

In fact that's the bit that bothers me the most, having seen the UC fiasco, the proliferation of food banks, disability assessments and zerohours contracts slowly creeping in.

I don't trust any of our politicians to maintain any EU directives that get in the way, do you?

Pbob: great post and understood it, thanks

Array: so when I vote I'm meant to think of others? I don't think that's how it works for most people but maybe I'm wrong. Another Remainer already said down the page that she too thinks of herself and her family when she votes. Why did voting Lib Dem in my local election a few years back mean that people died?! How am I a "fucking sociopath" exactly?

There won't be big riots. There may be a few small pockets of anger but to say there will be a civil war is just laughable.

However, we will just swap one sh£t show for another one. If Brexit fails there will be massive fall out. Remainers will be happy because Brexit is over but this country will be angry for a long time and they will take it out on anyone. They will hate immigrants more, they will hate politicians more and instead of Brexiteers being hater it will be the Remainers that will be hated.

If there is a GE I won't be voting for who I normally do and I think that a vast majority of people will turn against their usual politician for many different reasons.

Brexit or no Brexit. It is going to be a massive sh£t show for a long time.

As a leaver I don't think there will be civil war, most people I know who voted leave are like me. They might be a bit angry, sign a petition and shake their heads and debate with their friends but not enough anger to go out and riot or stop voting all together. I think s lot of them probably can see both sides of the argument.

I never thought it would turn this chaotic. I'd be quite happy to stop talking about it and for the government to start fixing knife crime for example

I'm not sure it will lead to cancellation, but I think it will lead to them trying to find a workable solution for the U.K. and it will take time.

The posts about civil war and people quaking in their boots is laughable. Or would be if it wasn't so sad.

One unexpected side effect of the Brexit shambles is that my niece, who was a staunch Better Together in the Scottish referendum has now flipped to supporting independence because she thinks Scotland will be able to get back into the EU with very little trouble. AFAIK, Scotland is a very long way off being able to qualify on its own merits.