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Mueller time for Trump and his friends - will they all meet in a courtyard surrounded by a big beautiful wall? - Trump thread 92

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Lweji · 23/03/2019 08:10

Someone had to and soon.

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Hearhere · 07/04/2019 22:11

Can we start drawing comparisons with Al Capone who was famously caught short via tax evasion

Hearhere · 07/04/2019 22:16

@Lionheart, from your linked to the David stinger story
'What I will say is that the charges I faced in 1983 are as false today as they were 35 years ago," Stringer wrote in a Facebook post over the weekend'
He is secretly bragging and smirking about what he got away with, he didn't say they were false he said they were 'as false' and there's a big difference, the subtext is that they were not false then and they are not false now
vile piece of shit

TheNorthWestPawsage · 07/04/2019 22:41

@PaulaReidCBS reports that DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen's expected resignation today appears to be a part of a larger overhaul of the department. It's unclear if her exit would be voluntary cbsnews.com/news/kirstjen-…
twitter.com/cbsnews/status/1115002210730106881?s=21

TheNorthWestPawsage · 07/04/2019 22:44

At this hour, the status of DHS Secy Nielsen is unclear. A senior admin. official tells me that she had a 5 PM meeting at the WH with POTUS where she was planning to discuss with him the immigration and border issues and a path forward — she had no intention of resigning...

2/ ...according to the source, but rather was going there with an agenda.

But the source said, it is believed within the administration that President Trump will be pushing for personnel changes and there are others afoot beyond the ICE director nominee who was pulled Friday...

3/ The source notes President Trump‘s frustration with the current asylum laws, and his desire for individuals who work for the administration to block central American asylum seekers from entering the United States —- contrary to the laws on the books that allow their entry.
twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1115002853213581313?s=21

Justanotherlurker · 07/04/2019 22:46

I see these threads are still a full on echo chamber, where on the idpol stack is this thread at the minute, is it along the lines of America waking up to the neolib agenda of Obama and him being treated like Blair did or are is it still in #resist mode.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 07/04/2019 22:52

Jesus F Christ justanotherlurker methinks you're the one that drank the Koolaid. Give it a rest.

TheFrendo · 07/04/2019 23:05

Justanotherlurker,

Would you please write that again with the jargon translated into understandable words and then those words arranged into sentences.

AcrossthePond55 · 07/04/2019 23:18

Neilsen OUT as Homeland Security Head. Apparently she went into a meeting with Scrotus to discuss immigration and got to hear him say "You're fired!!!".

AcrossthePond55 · 07/04/2019 23:19

Oops....linky

www.cnn.com/2019/04/07/politics/kirstjen-nielsen-homeland-security/index.html

AcrossthePond55 · 07/04/2019 23:26

"Would you please write that again......"

Oh, please don't.

lionheart · 08/04/2019 00:27

A little bit different. Attenborough.

theecologist.org/2019/apr/03/put-people-power-who-see-truth

lionheart · 08/04/2019 00:40

Maybe referring to people as 'animals' was Nielsen's red line.

lionheart · 08/04/2019 00:44

I guess he assumes that the wall/border is his Trump card and it needs to be played now.

TheClaws · 08/04/2019 00:49

Heh.

Walter Shaub @waltshaub
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How does the administration square Nielsen's statement that "I can say with confidence our homeland is safer today than when I joined the Administration" with its claim that the homeland has descended into a desperate state of "emergency"? (or with POTUS golfing at Mar-a-Lago?)

TheClaws · 08/04/2019 00:57

Now, why would they do that? The prosecutor was operating under under the Rome statute, so this is a provocative measure.

The Hill @thehill
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Trump administration revokes visa of chief international court prosecutor probing possible US war crimes (link: hill.cm/KnaEAeR) hill.cm/KnaEAeR

TheClaws · 08/04/2019 01:25

Fox headline today: I’ll include some of the text, but be assured most of it you’ve read before. (The level of Fox ‘journalism’ is such that they actually reference “FBI lovers Page and Strozk” just like that.)

Nunes to send eight criminal referrals to DOJ concerning leaks, conspiracy amid Russia probe

‘House Intelligence Committee ranking member Devin Nunes exclusively told Fox News' "Sunday Morning Futures" that he is preparing to send eight criminal referrals to the Department of Justice this week concerning alleged misconduct from "Watergate wannabes" during the Trump-Russia investigation, including the leaks of "highly classified material" and conspiracies to lie to Congress and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court.

The dramatic step comes as Republicans have pushed for the release of key documents to uncover the origins of the now-discredited narrative that the Trump campaign colluded improperly with the Russian government. President Trump recently told Fox News he would release the entirety of the FISA applications used to surveil one of his top aides, and other related documents.

Nunes said he has been working on the referrals for more than two years, and wanted to wait until the confirmation of Attorney General Bill Barr.

"We're prepared this week to notify the attorney general that we're prepared to send those referrals over," Nunes said. "First of all, all of these are classified or sensitive. ... Five of them are what I would call straight up referrals -- so just referrals that name someone and name the specific crimes," Nunes told Maria Bartiromo. "Those crimes are lying to Congress, misleading Congress, leaking classified information. So five of them are those types."

It was not immediately clear whom Nunes would specifically refer. Both Democrats and Republicans have said former Trump fixer Michael Cohen is likely to face new charges of lying to Congress in the wake of his recent explosive testimony, which seemed to contradict his previous statements on a variety of matters, including whether he had sought a job in the Trump White House.

The memo pointed out that in December 2017, then FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe testified that “no surveillance warrant would have been sought” from the FISA court “without the Steele dossier information.”

The memo pointed out that in December 2017, then FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe testified that “no surveillance warrant would have been sought” from the FISA court “without the Steele dossier information.”

And House Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows, R-N.C., touched off a firestorm last August after claiming on Twitter that his office had "hard evidence" suggesting the FBI leaked information to the press and used the resulting articles to help obtain surveillance warrants. The claim stemmed in part from FBI intelligence analyst Jonathan Moffa’s Friday testimony behind closed doors before the House Judiciary and Oversight committees.

Nunes added: "There are three [referrals] that I think are more complicated. ... So on the first one, is FISA abuse and other matters. We believe there was a conspiracy to lie to the FISA court, mislead the FISA court by numerous individuals that all need to be investigated and looked at that, and we believe the [relevant] statute is the conspiracy statute. The second conspiracy one is involving manipulation of intelligence that also could ensnarl many Americans."

Nunes asserted that "we've had a lot of concerns with the way intelligence was used" during the Trump-Russia probe.

Just nine days before the FBI applied for a FISA warrant to surveil Carter Page, then a Trump campaign aide, bureau officials were battling with a senior Justice Department official who had "continued concerns" about the "possible bias" of a source pivotal to the application, according to internal text messages obtained by Fox News in March.

Redacted versions of FISA documents already released have revealed that the FBI extensively relied on documents produced by Christopher Steele, an anti-Trump British ex-spy working for a firm funded by the Hillary Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee (DNC), to surveil Trump aide Carter Page. The FISA application did not clearly state that the firm was funded by the Clinton team and DNC.

The leaked dossier, and related FBI surveillance, kickstarted a media frenzy on alleged Russia-Trump collusion that ended with a whimper last month, when it was revealed Special Counsel Robert Mueller's probe concluded finding no evidence of such a conspiracy, despite several offers by Russians to help the Trump campaign. Page was never charged with wrongdoing, and he is currently suing the DNC for defamation.

DOJ guidelines preclude the FBI from omitting exculpatory evidence, or misrepresenting sources, in FISA applications. Reports have indicated and Republicans have charged that the FBI improperly withheld evidence that would have suggested their surveillance targets during the Trump probe were in fact innocent.

House Intelligence Committee ranking member Devin Nunes exclusively told Fox News' "Sunday Morning Futures" that he is preparing to send eight criminal referrals to the Department of Justice this week concerning alleged misconduct from "Watergate wannabes" during the Trump-Russia investigation, including the leaks of "highly classified material" and conspiracies to lie to Congress and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court.

The dramatic step comes as Republicans have pushed for the release of key documents to uncover the origins of the now-discredited narrative that the Trump campaign colluded improperly with the Russian government. President Trump recently told Fox News he would release the entirety of the FISA applications used to surveil one of his top aides, and other related documents.

Nunes said he has been working on the referrals for more than two years, and wanted to wait until the confirmation of Attorney General Bill Barr.

"We're prepared this week to notify the attorney general that we're prepared to send those referrals over," Nunes said. "First of all, all of these are classified or sensitive. ... Five of them are what I would call straight up referrals -- so just referrals that name someone and name the specific crimes," Nunes told Maria Bartiromo. "Those crimes are lying to Congress, misleading Congress, leaking classified information. So five of them are those types."

It was not immediately clear whom Nunes would specifically refer. Both Democrats and Republicans have said former Trump fixer Michael Cohen is likely to face new charges of lying to Congress in the wake of his recent explosive testimony, which seemed to contradict his previous statements on a variety of matters, including whether he had sought a job in the Trump White House.

TheClaws · 08/04/2019 01:31

Horrid that this attack fon the law system filled with propaganda comes from the White House account.

The White House @WhiteHouse
Irresponsible court rulings left our immigration system riddled with loopholes that place the burden on law enforcement to feed, shelter, and ultimately release most of the illegal immigrants who arrive at our border.

Get the facts: (link: 45.wh.gov/B4Faqi) 45.wh.gov/B4Faqi

Mueller time for Trump and his friends - will they all meet in a courtyard surrounded by a big beautiful wall? - Trump thread 92
lionheart · 08/04/2019 01:33

There has always been a lot of yammering about this (leaks, Steele, FISA) from the base and bots--interesting timing.

lionheart · 08/04/2019 01:57

Long read on redactions.

www.justsecurity.org/63523/barr-the-redactor/

TheClaws · 08/04/2019 03:49

Trump Jr., in troubling language, calls mainstream media a “blight on our republic”. I know technically the US is a democratic republic, but the way he uses the word is - odd.

www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-jr-calls-mainstream-media-a-blight-on-our-republic

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