To wonder what would it actually take to cause civil unrest in the UK

[Frenchfancy]

Why aren't people angrier about Brexit? Why have there been no riots? Is it because the part of society that are more likely to root want Brexit and the rest of us are too polite.

I live in France where we have been having weekly riots for the past few months because people are a bit upset they haven't got enough money. Yet in the UK not a single window has been smashed.

I'm not saying rioting is a good thing, I'm just wondering why other in other countries people get angry enough to riot but in the UK they don't.

So you choose not to live in my country but feel fine to encourage rioting in it, which won’t affect you one bit? I have no problem with freedom of movement either way, I have a problem with people who think encouraging violence is a solution to any problem that doesn’t affect them

Ugh this is a nasty goady thread.

Civilised people, and we British are civilised

Nope. We are not.

I think it'll take something big for parliment to sit up, stop messing about and listen. I can only hope it doesn't take blood shed for them to do their jobs

The last person I saw on here claiming to be an Irish Leaver was a troll who got the whole thread deleted.

Go to the local ballot next election and instead of putting a crowd, just write, “what’s the point!!

ethelfleda

“It fucking pisses me off that nobody thought about the hard border issue before they even called the bloody referendum in the first place!!”

Which is why I’m confused. I understood it was the whole crux of the mess but Bigfat seems to be suggesting it’s no biggie

Springwalk

Yep this. Totally. I have to put up with shit on both ends of the spectrum and not comment cos id rather not argue with anyone over it.

But i do worry that if we dont get out in good order we will see the rapid radicalisation and rise of the political extremes

So you choose not to live in my country but feel fine to encourage rioting in it, which won’t affect you one bit?

Oh dear. Us Brits wouldn’t ever do this at least 😏

The thing is that nobody has a clue what is actually happening, so nobody can really riot because it's all too unclear to have any real sense of shared purpose.

Also, the Leavers had no clear idea what they were voting on in the first place, so they can't get a very significant proportion of themselves to agree on what to riot on.

And Remainers are politely signing a petition while secretly hoping that nothing as drastic as leaving could actually seriously happen under the (totally unclear) circumstances.

It's utterly crazy what English people think about themselves.

On a thread on MN, the resounding response would be 'He's a narc'.

Funny to watch the demise of the British Empire in real time.

British does not = English. HTH.

We are very civilised in these parts at least so can only speak from experience. No one even utters the B word here - not ever. We are chuckle at the prospect of another heatwave summer, scoff at the lack of snow and queue beautifully at every opportunity. Hold doors open for grannies and grandpas, talk to her neighbours. Pick up dog shit.
We are practically fucking Switzerland if you could overlook the GP waiting times.

*the Leavers had no clear idea what they were voting on in the first place, so they can't get a very significant proportion of themselves to agree on what to riot on.

And Remainers are politely signing a petition*

That's what happening is it?

I think we are too gobsmacked watching parliament dissolve into a nursery school on caffeine and lollipops to do anything but stockpile and pray for mercy

You'll never get it will you?

green yes the biggest worry that we would end up with an extreme parties. That will be difficult to reverse.

People tend not to riot in the cold and rain; you need a nice run of warm summer days to support a riot. British weather's not really rioting weather.

@bigyellow

I realise you’re being deliberately goady, but your bait regarding the British Empire is amusing. Do you hail from the 50s? Of course the British empire is resiled to history. We all know that. It happened many years ago. British people today aren’t fretting about the empire. It is a little (oddly) endearing you think it might now ‘fall’ and the British people would be bothered.

The only successful uprising against the power of the British state in the last century was the IRA’s armed struggle which resulted in the formation of an independent state

As it was at a cost of thousands of lives would you really call it a ‘successful uprising?’

This is the final falling of the British Empire and a rising of a different empire. An EU one - except as Europeans we don't want to rule anyone. A new concept to Britain perhaps.

It might be instructive to read up on the German, French, Belgian and Dutch colonial past before you say silly things.

I’m neither British nor from another part of the EU, though I now live in the UK, before you pile onto me...

*fundamentally the French are unhappy that they have to drive at 80km rather than 90km and the cost of diesel was going up. That's where it all started.

In reality the French aren't unhappy, they just like to protest.*

This is very insulting to the people of the country you have chosen to live in. I fundamentally disagree with the GJ's methods and many of their (often contradictory) arguments, but your comment is a childish oversimplification of the highly complex socio-political situation in France, which includes a multitude of factors such as inhumane town planning, ongoing cuts to social and other services resulting in a dearth of accessible doctors, shortages of teachers and lecturers, dilapidated schools, hospital closures, reduced transport in rural areas... and a serious gulf between the political class and citizens.

If you look at the damage done over the last months in France (to limbs, property, the economy, etc.), you'll see how irresponsible it is to be idly bantering about riots.

As it was at a cost of thousands of lives would you really call it a ‘successful uprising?’

Since the British imposed 'Famine' cost 2 million lives, yes.

As far as i can see were already there. You've got a left party who are unelectable due to antisemitism and inherent misogyny and a right that are (hopefully) unelectable due to universal credit.

I cant see a peoples vote getting through parliament. The leavers wont support it and theres a good number of remain MPs who know damn well theyll lose their seat (probably to UKIP) if they betray the promises of the next election. I wonder at people trusting the poll given that before the referendum the idea of leave winning was utterly ridiculous.... i dont know one leave voter who has changed there mind.

Youve got a parliament that repeatedly are voting down the only deal on the table which is rapidly pushing us into the territory of a general election. That general election will be anything but pretty.

"People tend not to riot in the cold and rain; you need a nice run of warm summer days to support a riot. British weather's not really rioting weather."

@Ministryofrevenge and the Pimms is quite distracting in warm weather...