Should a preschool deal with soiling?

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Does anyone else go to a preschool where they won't deal with soiling?

DownhillRider - that is completely unacceptable and definitely contravenes th Equalities Act.

Does your son have and EHCP? Or a careplan covering toileting?

Thanks hazeyjane. The school policy reflects that - They are apparently reviewing it though (AKA, publish an acceptable policy, but implement something which contradicts it).

My DD goes to a nursery and a separate preschool. Nursery were a lot more on the ball with accidents. I picked DD 3 times from Preschool where she had soiled herself and either no one noticed or they had and didn’t change her. I had to say something and it got better.

@hazeyjane he doesn't current have a plan with toileting but I've shown them the ERIC website and told them that they can't leave him in dirty underwear but they have told me they don't have enough staff or anyone that's train to clean him up.

The second time it happen they tried saying he had a upset tummy which he didn't. It's horrible as he won't even poo in school and most day we don't make it home! We have tried sitting him on the toilet at the end off the school day but he won't go.

My DC are 24 and nearly 21. They started playgroup aged 2.5. 2.5 hour sessions. The children were 2.5 to 3.5 (ish). Pooey nappies were changed but were rare.

DS started nursery attached to a school at 3 yrs, 8 months. Some children were just 3. All were out of nappies. I've no recollection of poo accidents.

DS was 4 yrs 8 months and DD 4 yrs 3 months at start of reception. No child was in nappies. There was the v occasional wee accident.

What is it that has changed to reach a situation where so many children start school untrained. Even 15/18 years ago there was an absolute expectation children would be potty trained reliably when they started school.

DC were dry in the daytime by 2yrs 8m and 2yrs 9m. Neither had poo accidents - neither pooed outside the house from about 12-16 mo. As it turns out dd wasn't neuro typical either.

@TabbyMumz Right - I don't know if it's just my area doing it in a funny way, but round here the naming is really weird. Our local primary school has both a "preschool" and a "nursery school" attached to it - the nursery is for the year before Reception (i.e. September after they turn 3), whereas the "preschool" is for age 2.5-ish through to starting primary. Exactly the wrong way round from what I expected given the names! (Kids in the nursery school often attend the preschool as well, as the nursery school only runs in the morning.)

neither pooed outside the house from about 12-16 mo what's wrong with pooing in a toilet other than your own?

What is it that has changed to reach a situation where so many children start school untrained....

This thread is about a child of 3...so not of school starting age. There have been headlines full of hyperbole about the number of children starting school in nappies.....these headlines never seem to point to actual figures, children's ages (ie school? Or school nursery?) and most pertinently whether these children have or go on to have additional or medical needs. ....15/18 years ago there was an absolute expectation children would be potty trained reliably when they started school...
What is it that has changed....

The Equalities Act 2010. That is what happened (thank christ)

Any one wanna give me the magic key to toilet train DS 3.75 so I can send him to school in pants, go for it!!

I get the bit about the Equalities Act but the Act didn't prevent small children from being toilet trained. They did used to be. They couldn't start school unless they were. Even in 2000 or the mid 90s there was inclusion.

But early years settings and schools could specify that they couldn't take children unless they were toilet trained. If children did have accidents they could call parents in (some still get away with doing that now!)

....and on the whole most children that start school are toilet trained.

But if they said that, mothers paid attention to it and got them trained. Of course there were exceptions who had disabilities but they were rare, not two or three in every class. MIL taught for 40 years and can't recollect any children starting school in nappies, not wven children who later transferred from mainstream school.

iWork in a private nursery attached to an independent school. We would never leave a child in soiled clothing nor wet. You can report them to the Local Authority or even OFSTED- even if they're not receiving funding. If their published policy is now apparently different to their present policy that is also an offence.

OhtbeRoses there are more kids with sn now, some are undiagnosed then there were before. Some not until later or unaware that the child has SN until later.

Therefore those kids starting school in nappies or late to toilet train could have undiagnosed an.

Any offers?? No??

They couldn't start school unless they were
Eell if thry couldn't start without being toilet trained, of course there weren't kids in school not toilet trained. What we actually need is data on how many children didn't start in the September after turning 4 because they weren't allowed

There was some inclusion, but between 1986 and 2008, approx 412 special school were closed (in the name of misguided badly funded ill thought out inclusion), those children who would have been in special school would be accommodated in mainstream. There has also been a rise in the number of diagnoses of a variety of conditions (due to more awareness, better diagnostic techniques and at an earlier age)

I went to school in the 70s and my mum worked in early years then, I remember children having lots of accidents (the knocked cupboard outside the heads office was a busy place!) and my mum says she remembers parents whose kids were going to go to school just suddenly bringing their kids in a few weeks before with plastic pants over knickers!

I didn't know it was so normal to wait until after a child was 3 to even begin potty training

Children were i not allowed to start evil in nappies that's such you didn't see children mainstream school in nappies @OhTheRoses because children with disabilities and or medical.issues were discriminated against ,I ha e a disabled child ime very few children do do start school,don't have disabilities or go on to be diagnosed despite what the papers may report but actually this is not what tis thread is about its about a toilet trained three yr old being neglected after having an accident

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Thankyou for 2 things X2boys.....reminding us of what the thread is actually about and the best autocorrect error - it would be pretty accurate to describe some of ds's nappies as evil!

My mother and MIL say that potty training started at about 1 because of having to boil terry nappies.

Whilst I agree special schools are essential andd the policies that clised them very wrong I do wonder if that acted as a catalyst for the increased numbers of dyslexia, HFA, dyspraxia, etc, because partly there was sen support in mainstream and partly because the spectre of the special school disappeared.

Looking back to the 60s I am quite sure the conditions were there but there was simply no shame in getting two/three o'levels and far far less stress relating to it.

Ds is back on movicol so nappies are definitely evil right now Hazey!