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To think teachers shouldn't be drinking on trips?

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Newyeardontcare · 15/03/2019 20:31

Dc just back from trip overseas. Apparently as soon as they were in their rooms the teachers went to the hotel bar. (The kids snuck down to check on them so they could all go into each other's rooms).Were also drinking wine and cocktails at dinner (before walking kids around an overseas city for an hour to their hotel at 11pm)

Is this normal? In charge of 13yr olds?

OP posts:
Shinyletsbebadguys · 17/03/2019 13:10

Drinking and having a drink are somewhat different

Having a glass of wine with dinner is extremely unlikely to cause them to have impaired judgement on a walk fgs

I'm hardly a fan of DC school but frankly if they were taking away a group of 13 year olds on a school trip of but the bloody drink out of gratitude .... I sure as he'll couldn't do it

Might want to think how quickly those volunteers might disappear if you make a raging fuss and they ban the teachers from being...you know ...adults.
But hey if your happy for the kids to miss out on trips because of less volunteers due to winging and micro managing then do go right ahead

Lidlfix · 17/03/2019 13:25

My 4DDs have all had fantastic experiences in school residential trips. I have always thanked the teachers when picking them up.

Now that my DDS range from 15 to 21 and don't need DH or I there in evenings or mornings I pay it forward by leading a very popular overseas trip (that has been mentioned by PPs earlier in the thread) age group is 12/13.

By god the work that's involved Sad. I am already working on 2020 when this year's trip is still to take place. The antithesis of an holiday I've been on.

I have dealt with projectile vomiting, first periods, bad periods, travel sickness, home sickness and all the predictable issues that one would expect to take place. A jolly? Really?

I get emails months in advance about who can't possibly share dorms with whom , and as soon as I think I have cracked the puzzle that is rooming there will be another email.

I give up a weekend and 4 evenings of my own at a time of year where I could have lots of tutoring work and my own DDs could benefit from my professional knowledge.

With crap exchange rates and expensive service stations I will spend a small fortune on coffees etc that I wouldn't have spent at home. Out of pocket but hey maybe I should be for the privilege of being in your precious angel's company?

Yet I will continue to do the trip as long as pupils want to go on it as they learn so much, not just academic- many have never made up a bed or a packed lunch, had to share a bedroom or pack a case. And they have a great time.

The restaurants we go to for dinner put wine on the table enough for a small glass each. I might have one sometimes I don't .

The accommodation has a teachers and guides sitting room where we can lounge. If we're not playing pool, football, admiring purchases, sorting wee squabbles, supervising medication , tracking down lost stuff etc. Point is - rare that many of us are in it for long. It has an honesty fridge stocked with soft drinks and tiny 25cl beers. If it's a clammy night and I'm thirsty I might have one or two . As may a colleague. We are not hiding out in a bar and we man the room when all the above is taking place so that the pupils can always see one of us - door always open.

So I suppose a pupil might see the wine or the beer. They equally might see a jug of water , Fanta lemon or Diet Coke - what do you think they notice? In the same way that seeing Mrs Lidl in skinny jeans and converse is odd or my colourful pjs when they knock my door (again) for whatever query.

I am not licensed to drive a 50 seater coach so would be not be putting anyone at risk. I would be completely able to escort a child to hospital or any other emergency that might arise after a small wine or less than half a pint of beer.

Oh and I might even listen to an audio book on the bus but I really should be listening for every cheap Confused

Hotterthanahotthing · 17/03/2019 13:32

Your kids must be super heros to tell the difference between lemonade and gin and tonic without getting in sniffing distance.You'll be saying the teachers shouldn't sleep next just incase...I have one teenager,I drink

MiniPotter · 17/03/2019 13:46

YABU. Teachers are not paid for supervising trips - they are strictly voluntary.

It is unpaid time away from family etc to ensure your kids are able to enjoy their themselves on a trip.

Are you really going to begrudge them a glass of wine after a day of supervising and essentially parenting loads of kids including yours?

PhilomenaButterfly · 17/03/2019 14:21

Benie teachers do not get paid holidays, rather their salary is divided equally over 12 months.

PhilomenaButterfly · 17/03/2019 14:26

Same here Wolfie! 😂

dadshere · 17/03/2019 14:35

Depends on the school. Our school has a zero tolerance policy for alcohol on school trips, and drinking alcohol would be gross misconduct.

Lidlfix · 17/03/2019 15:18

If there was a policy of course teachers would adhere to it. Not sure how drawn I would be to employer who saw the need .Applicants market in my subject and location.

Mamaryllis · 17/03/2019 16:06

Lol @homemade getting touchy about a jokey comment Grin that was my point. TAs do get paid, because it’s their job. Teachers do get paid, because it’s their job. Guide leaders don’t get paid, because it isn’t a job. GrinGrinGrin
Totes jelly.
I take two weeks unpaid leave from my paid employment, pay the same as the kids for the trip, and can’t gave a glass of wine. Grin
I am laughing at myself.
Not you.
Because really, what sort of nut would voluntarily take a group of teenagers on international trips, pay for the privilege of being entirely responsible for other people’s children, lose two weeks wages, and not even be able to have a glass of wine like the paid types apparently can? GrinGrin
I think it’s bloody hilarious.

To be clear - I don’t give a fuck if teachers (or TAs) doing their jobs on free trips have a glass of wine. Have at it. WineGrin

I’d love to join you but I can’t afford it and it’s against the rules Grin

DeloresJaneUmbridge · 17/03/2019 16:14

Good lord, not read all through his but my sister is a teacher and every year a load of them take a class full of kids on a residential trip. Strict rules around drinking.

Staff can drink but a core of them have to remain alcohol free. None of them get drunk, they have a glass of wine with dinner maybe if they are not on rota to be available overnight,m

As long as a core of staff are so at and available I don’t see the issue.

budgiegirl · 17/03/2019 16:48

pay the same as the kids for the trip
Why do you do this? Surely leaders costs should be divided out between the children going on the trip, in a similar way to Scouts or schools? Is this standard practice in the Guides? - I’m fairly sure it’s not, as I don’t believe my friend who is a Brownie leader pays anything for residential trips.

and can’t gave a glass of wine
That seems a bit unfair, IMO. Is it your leadership team that have decided this? The guides policy on this is quite clear -

From the Guides website - It's up to the event leadership team whether volunteers can drink alcohol at guiding events. However, all adults must remain capable of dealing with an emergency or first aid incident and at least two adults should be below the legal alcohol limit for driving a vehicle.

This seems like a quite fair and balanced policy.

FullOfJellyBeans · 17/03/2019 16:54

My Son does Beavers and the leaders don't pay for the trips (why should they! definitely not a holiday). I know on camp some had a beer or two but no one was drunk (and two were always 100% sober in case they had to drive the minibuses).

Namechangeforthiscancershit · 17/03/2019 17:01

Is this standard practice in the Guides? - I’m fairly sure it’s not, as I don’t believe my friend who is a Brownie leader pays anything for residential trip

No it's not standard practice at all. The trip can't go ahead with adults so the cost is split out. The only exception would be if there are a lot more adults than are actually needed- that would be harder to justify.

Aveeno2017 · 17/03/2019 17:32

No wonder teachers are leaving the profession at a alarming rate!! To many parents telling them how to do their jobs!!

tinytemper66 · 17/03/2019 18:11

This can go on and on.
The majority of teachers would not get pissed on a trip full stop!
Kids breaking curfews and rules about 99%!
Do we stop because of this? -no! I have refused to take pupils on my trips because of their behaviour and have told them so.
If they can't behave in school, there is no way on God's earth I would take them beyond the gates!
OP won't be back because the majority of posters disagreed with her pearl clutching!
I am looking forward to organising my next ski trip to USA. I choose USA because the pupils can't get served unlike France where the local shopkeeper sold them wine! Luckily we intercepted it before it was drunk and then poured it away! Much to the consternation of one staff member who would have taken it home! 😂

Jaxhog · 17/03/2019 18:14

Getting shitfaced? Not on.
A glass of wine at the end of the evening? No issue.

And someone should stay sober in case of emergencies.

SparkiePolastri · 17/03/2019 18:36

Having a glass of wine is staying sober, given you can drive on it.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 17/03/2019 18:44

what they actually stayed up and socialized after the children went to bed they should have gone to bed and made sure they had a good nights sleep so they ready for the next day

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PerfumeandOranges · 17/03/2019 18:48

I would grudge them a drink while they were supervising my child.

They are volunteering, that's true, but no-one made them do it and if they didn't think they could do it without drinking, then they should have stayed at home.

Outrageous and I would bring it with the Head with the aim of getting a written apology for their irresponsible behaviour and, although this probably wouldn't happen, I would like a mark against their names so that they couldn't volunteer again.

1tisILeClerc · 17/03/2019 18:50

{No it's not standard practice at all. The trip can't go ahead with adults so the cost is split out. The only exception would be if there are a lot more adults than are actually needed- that would be harder to justify.}

When I was a leader going away for camp etc, leaders costs were divided into the total number of kids. Sometimes other parents would go as helpers, and they usually paid as necessary but the group would pay towards petrol if applicable.

C0untDucku1a · 17/03/2019 18:56

PerfumeandOranges GrinGrinGrin omg that is hilarious.

Although about 2% of me isnt sure youre making a joke...

SmileEachDay · 17/03/2019 19:00

Cani have a mark against my name so I can’t volunteer for all the extra shit I do?

whippersnapperwrapper · 17/03/2019 19:19

Perfume - aren't you the same poster who thought sending a thank you note home was 'invading the home through the letterbox' ??!! Hmm

youknowmedontyou · 17/03/2019 19:32

Outrageous and I would bring it with the Head with the aim of getting a written apology for their irresponsible behaviour and, although this probably wouldn't happen, I would like a mark against their names so that they couldn't volunteer again.

^^ fucking barking mad sone people! Should they also pay you to take your children away....

CheesecakeAddict · 17/03/2019 19:44

Tbh I don't drink on trips but only because I've always been pregnant. This time I will. I know my limit. I won't be having more than 1. In the same way that most nights I have a glass of wine or 2 when I unwind. If parents want to dictate what I can and can't do, I would take it but I would also not volunteer for the trip, I would expect it paid which would mean only school days (no holidays or weekends) and it would cost the parents an extra 200 per staff member, per night...

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