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To Think Remainers Are Starting To Get Really Angry About Brexit?

577 replies

KennDodd · 12/03/2019 19:02

I can feel the mood among Remainers, both IRL and online changing.

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Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 14/03/2019 13:15

Another good point tonight

He is going with two members of his family and they have saved very hard for this

I'll get ds1 to talk to him

TonightJosephine · 14/03/2019 13:17

I have been travelling on the Eurostar about once a month for almost the last ten years and this situation is unprecedented. It is due to Brexit. Deny it all you like, but that is the reason.

I booked my travel six weeks ago and my passport appointment three weeks ago as soon as the booking window opened but thank you for the totally unhelpful advice.

ContinuityError · 14/03/2019 13:18

The strike is related to Brexit "and the consequences it will have on working conditions”, said François Schallebaum, head of the Solidaires Douanes union branch.

From France24.

Now are you sure it’s not Brexit related?

Weetabixandshreddies · 14/03/2019 13:19

And of course leavers would have been perfectly entitled to go away and come back with an actual plan and then campaign for another referendum on that basis.

Bit hypocritical to want it both ways surely?

Either 52/48 is not a clear enough split or it is.

You can't change the rules depending on which side wins.

If you don't accept that 52% is a clear enough majority then fair enough but you have to accept it both ways.

Weetabixandshreddies · 14/03/2019 13:22

ContinuityError

Quite sure. They are using it as an excuse to strike for more pay. As happens regularly.

Had Eurostar deemed it necessary to trial then yes I would accept that. But this is industrial action.

TonightJosephine · 14/03/2019 13:22

Plan. Where's the plan?

TonightJosephine · 14/03/2019 13:23

Brexit related industrial action.

Weetabixandshreddies · 14/03/2019 13:25

Brexit related industrial action.
Or, French customs wanted more pay so saw this as leverage?

They do it too often.

Bartlebysleftshoe · 14/03/2019 13:27

This is how 'The Local.fr' are reporting it. It is industrial action, though not a strike.

The reason behind the industrial action, which began on March 4th, is customs officials are trying to press demands for higher pay and demonstrate what will happen if greater controls are put in place once Britain leaves the European Union, planned for later this month.

Instead of going on strike meaning they would not work at all the customs officers have been carrying out work-to-rule industrial action which means that they only do what is required by the rules of their contract.

This means that they precisely follow all safety or other regulations, which has means lots of checks and questions which has slowed down the flow of passengers through terminals at Eurostar, EUrotunnel and the ports in Calais and now at airports in the Alps.

Vincent Thomazo from UNSA union told The Local last week that customs' agents wanted to get the message across to the French government that they were simply not ready for Brexit.

"Our aim is to attract attention to our worsening conditions of work which will only get worse once Brexit happens," Thomazo said.

I think in all of this we are forgetting that the decisions made in the UK, for whatever reasons, do have an impact further afield. There are (more than) two sides to this divorce, the decision to vote leave has further ramifications than we could have ever really known. .......No man is an island.

ContinuityError · 14/03/2019 13:27

So the Unions which called the work to rule say it’s Brexit related, the French press are reporting it as Brexit related, even the Torygraph is reporting it as Brexit related ... but it can’t be because nothing detrimental can ever be attributed to Brexit. Apparently.

TonightJosephine · 14/03/2019 13:29

Yep. Definitely not due to Brexit. It's just a coincidence that this kind of disruption has literally never happened before.

chillpizza · 14/03/2019 13:29

Oh no... fast trains to France are not fast anymore Grin

Oh all the many things people could complain about... trains... grab a flight Grin the sky hasn’t fallen down yet...

TonightJosephine · 14/03/2019 13:29

It's not a question of them not being fast, they're not fucking working!

Weetabixandshreddies · 14/03/2019 13:30

I booked my travel six weeks ago and my passport appointment three weeks ago as soon as the booking window opened but thank you for the totally unhelpful advice.
And a few posts back, in reference to Eurostar, you say the system hasn't been running for about 10 days. So you did have some time to adjust your plans.

TonightJosephine · 14/03/2019 13:31

If my husband and I were still in a long distance relationship (which we were for over five years) we would literally be stuck on different sides of the channel with no idea when we would be able to see each other.

TonightJosephine · 14/03/2019 13:33

Weetabix I had no communication from Eurostar whatsoever before yesterday. Don't try to pin this on me. I've done everything I can to make this appointment but it's outside my control. This is just reason no 46254859262 that people are being fucked over by Brexit but you clearly couldn't care less so why are you even bothering to argue? What are you getting out of this?

Weetabixandshreddies · 14/03/2019 13:33

Are you sure they aren't running? According to Eurostar website they have cancelled 4 trains today. Definitely doesn't say no service at all.

Weetabixandshreddies · 14/03/2019 13:35

If my husband and I were still in a long distance relationship (which we were for over five years) we would literally be stuck on different sides of the channel with no idea when we would be able to see each other.

You sound slightly irrational tbh. There is disruption on Eurostar. Planes and ferries are running. No idea when you would see each other?? Slight hyperbole I feel.

TonightJosephine · 14/03/2019 13:36

Oh FFS. They cannot get me on an earlier train because they are all full due to moving passengers from the trains they cancelled a couple of weeks ago (which are no longer showing on the website because all passengers were notified then). They cannot get me to London today, end of.

This is painful. Please stop.

chillpizza · 14/03/2019 13:37

I think she only cares about Eurostar.... you know her personal circumstances are all she cares about. Funny that aye.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 14/03/2019 13:38

I wouldnt get drawn in if i were you tonight

They only want a rise out of you

TonightJosephine · 14/03/2019 13:38

Planes and ferries are running.

Nothing that will get me to my non refundable 8:45 am appointment.

What are you getting out of this again? It kind of feels like you are deliberately trying to needle people explaining just some of the ways in which Brexit is fucking their lives up right now (and this is the latest in a very long list of things for me) and you're just trying to act like you know better. You don't.

Brexit is a stupid idea, with many horrible consequences for countless people, and no benefits.

It will take decades to fix the mess you have made.

Weetabixandshreddies · 14/03/2019 13:39

It's your own fault for over egging the pudding.

You just don't like being called out.

I'm sorry that your plans are disrupted but that isn't the fault of people who voted to leave the EU , it's the fault of French customs officials.

If you don't want people to point out lies then don't lie. You clearly stated above It's not a question of them not being fast, they're not fucking working! but they are working. 4 have been cancelled today.

chillpizza · 14/03/2019 13:39

As a superior being remain voter... you should of seen this coming and been better prepared Grin Wink

Weetabixandshreddies · 14/03/2019 13:41

chillpizza

I think you might be right.