To Think Remainers Are Starting To Get Really Angry About Brexit?

[KennDodd]

I can feel the mood among Remainers, both IRL and online changing.

The risk to GFA was made loud and clear. And ignored. But, hey ho, feelings are more important.

All Eurostar trains are experiencing delays and long queues for journeys from Paris Nord and Lille Europe due to industrial action by French customs until March 14th, we therefore advise passengers not to travel unless absolutely necessary.

This is the service message on Eurostar website TonightJosephine. Why is the disruption due to Brexit?

There is evidence that the economy is already suffering due to Brexit and all experts predict yet more financial hardship of varying degrees depending on the deal we get.

Not one single financial forecast has said Brexit will bring about a strengthened economy so I don't think worrying about an economic downturn is catastrophising.

Even the governments own report states that Brexit will damage the economy and set us back decades. And yet still we press ahead with madness. It's utterly baffling.

hey ho, feelings are more important.

I don't understand your obsession with bringing 'feelings' into this. In fact, this whole thread is based on the feelings of remain voters. The only 'feelings' I've expressed is that throwing insults at those of a differing opinion isn't really helpful.

Ah yes, the E.U. stops us exercising our democratic rights. Tell them in France that the E.U. is stopping them undertaking industrial action.

This is the service message on Eurostar website TonightJosephine. Why is the disruption due to Brexit?

Customs officials are carrying out the checks they say they will have to perform after no deal Brexit to show that the systems won't work. And so unsurprising, the systems aren't working, haven't done for about the last ten days, and there is no end in sight.

Agree, there was NO remain campaign to speak of and barely anyone read the government leaflet which anyway came across as patronising to some (I personally think it was a good leaflet but somehow it didn't win any points).

I wouldn't vote for JC as PM but if Cooper or Starmer were Labour leader I'd get behind them.

Well it says it's industrial action so that doesn't sound like it's an official operational trial does it? It sounds more like French customs officials protesting - which isn't unusual.

I think your anger at losing £177 needs to be directed at the French customs in this case.

Customs officials are carrying out the checks they say they will have to perform after no deal Brexit to show that the systems won't work.

No, they're striking. Granted, they do suggest that their workload may increase after Brexit and are using this as leverage for increased pay/staffing (for which they may be justified), but the delays and cancellations are down to the strike action.

I understand that. It's just very interesting how people can seek to dismiss the result of the referendum by arguing that more than 50% of the population didn't vote for leave (ignoring the fact that 100% of the population aren't eligible to vote anyway) yet happily respect other election results that never get more than 50% of votes cast for the winning party.

Nobody’s argued that it would have to have been 50% of the population (or equivalent) to make it a valid result.

But:

(A) GEs happen at least every 5 years. If a government is incompetent then I can try and vote them out next time.

(B) A GE is not instigating major constitutional change.

(C) GEs are legally binding and will be rerun if significant illegalities are found.

And isn’t it funny how the Scottish Devolution Referendum of 1979 which would have instigated constitutional change (and which had a similar 52/48 split in favour) was denied because the winning side didn’t comprise a significant enough % of the electorate?

ContinuityError

And none of that is the fault of the people who voted in the referendum.

Had it been the other way round and remain won with 52% would you have been demanding that it be re run or ignored because only 52% voted to remain? I really do doubt it.

It is because of Brexit. It is just one of many shitty things that are happening because of Brexit which leavers like to say are not because of Brexit. If you would like to pay me £177 to compensate me for my loss then please do. Otherwise, stop Brexit-splaining.

It would be more intellectually honest of you to say, yeah, the shit is hitting the fan in all kinds of ways but I don't really care so suck it up. Because that's the truth, isn't it?

The suggestion of a 2nd referendum isn't just for shitz 'n' giggles. I don't think there should be one because I fear No Deal as an option. It's an option because the situation is fecked up.

Had it been the other way round and remain won with 52% would you have been demanding that it be re run or ignored because only 52% voted to remain? I really do doubt it.

Had it been the other way round the country wouldn't be in a complete shambles so there would be no urgent need to consider whether this course of action is the right one.

@ContinuityError

I don't disagree with your point but the terms of this referendum was 'the outcome with the most votes'.

Yes it was an advisory referendum and the government could have turned around and decided against it as the margin wasn't significant. As it happens though, they didn't and decided to act (as they promised) on the will of the majority who voted.

And of course leavers would have been perfectly entitled to go away and come back with an actual plan and then campaign for another referendum on that basis.

tonight

Ds1 boyfriend is going to euro Disney in april....i hope its all sorted by then!

I might give him a heads up, he isnt very politically or news minded so he may have missed this information

es it was an advisory referendum and the government could have turned around and decided against it as the margin wasn't significant

This is the main bit that pissed me off

Stupid Cameron and pals

PBo83

It’s not a French customs strike as such - it’s a work to rule to demonstrate the level of safety or other regulatory checks which will be required as a result of Brexit and expose the lack of preparedness.

It is because of Brexit. It is just one of many shitty things that are happening because of Brexit which leavers like to say are not because of Brexit. If you would like to pay me £177 to compensate me for my loss then please do. Otherwise, stop Brexit-splaining.

Firstly..."Brexit-splaining"...really?

Secondly, you originally said that the delays were because the customs officers were, effectively, trialling the checks they would potentially have to do after Brexit. That's not the case, they are striking. I acknowledge the link to Brexit (which, personally, I believe is being used as leverage for increased pay but that's speculation) but nothing has yet happened to cause the problems with Eurostar.

Ds1 boyfriend is going to euro Disney in april....i hope its all sorted by then!

I would get him to make sure he has travel insurance which will cover the cost of his accommodation and Disney tickets if he can't get there because Eurostar are only refunding people's tickets and not anything else they may have lost as a result.

Secondly, you originally said that the delays were because the customs officers were, effectively, trialling the checks they would potentially have to do after Brexit.

Yes. I said that because that is literally what is happening. I went to the Gare du Nord last night and witnessed it with my own eyes and had it confirmed by Eurostar staff but I'm sure you know better after a quick Google search.

Christ on a bike.

Had it been the other way round and remain won with 52% would you have been demanding that it be re run or ignored because only 52% voted to remain? I really do doubt it.

That would have been Farage’s “unfinished business” then?

It would be more intellectually honest of you to say, yeah, the shit is hitting the fan in all kinds of ways but I don't really care so suck it up. Because that's the truth, isn't it?

Not over belligerent French customs officials striking no. They do it all the time. You are just looking for every reason to blame Brexit.

French customs have caused chaos for years. That's why Kent has to deal with Operation Stack - was that caused by Brexit too, you know, years before Brexit was even thought about?

And if eurostar hasn't been working for a while it's a bit foolish to book it the day before an appointment. Might have been better to fly or travel earlier.

That's down to your decisions, not Brexit.