AIBU or is this a MAJOR safeguarding issue?

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NC for this,

I’ve been absolutely stunned at the ignorance shown by the organisers with this one! A naturist night at the water park 😱 this place is designed for kids entertainment, it’s basically loads of water slides a wave pool and play area etc
Who in their right mind would take a child to such an event. Obviously I’m not shooting down naturists, each to their own, but this is an event that ANYONE can attend. Known paedophiles have attended these events, with one saying that he can’t even swim. What the actual fuck is going on? Who thought this one up?
If adults want to swim naked that’s their call, but why open the event to children too?

I’m pretty sure I’m not the one missing the blindingly obvious here, but I’m so amazed at the stupidity I had to share and maybe raise some awareness.

www.stokesentinel.co.uk/whats-on/family-nude-swimming-session-coming-2589946

These events are being held across the country, so there’s possibly one near you.

meandmetoo, I take it you're in favour of banning children from playing football, singing in church choirs or having one to one tutoring in an instrument, and banning women from walking along the road on their own late at night?

I would argue that it is you who is morally bankrupt, based on that post.

Missymoo
Don’t need a link it’s the law. Viewing nude children online is classes as an indecent image if for the purposes of sexual gratification.
Which is NOT the same thing as watching kids pratting about on the beach or in a swimming pool with nothing on.

bad. A paedophile might use nudity (according to someone up thread) as one of several tools to groom a child to be more receptive to abuse but that doesn't make nudity bad or mean we should ban children from being naked.

I didn’t say it - I quoted it, from a safeguarding document quoting a study.

I never said we should ban children from every being naked. I said that the dangers of normalising adult nudity around children are sufficient for me to never take my children into that environment and I’m horrified that anyone would think it’s a sensible thing to do.

As I said, I’m a victim of child abuse. I have spent many years in support groups and know how adults groom children. I know that most adults who groom children have no criminal record. I know how good they are at evading detection and grooming adults too.

Talkinpeace

It absoultely is if your a paedophile who would get gratification from seeing naked children
Paedophiles without doubt would attend these events.

But this thread is about a naturist event open to anyone and children being drawn into the naturist lifestyle when they don't have a choice really.

We check in with our children all the time about all sorts of things, including naturism and attending events. Nudity is not forced on children in naturism (or anyone). Naturists understand that children, especially teens, will be navigating their changing bodies and feelings/emotions/puberty and therefore can choose how to dress (or not). Some children on Saturday wore costumes. Sometimes my daughter chooses to wear bikini bottoms.

"meandmetoo, I take it you're in favour of banning children from playing football, singing in church choirs or having one to one tutoring in an instrument, and banning women from walking along the road on their own late at night?"

Football, choir, tutoring - of course if the instructors are naked
Women walking down the road at night - no, of course not, why? Are they to blame somehow if they get attacked because they are on their own at night? Id rather ban the offenders personally.

What about the people who will take photographs at these events?
Then the child’s photograph ends up on the Internet ?

meandmetoo, I take it you're in favour of banning children from playing football, singing in church choirs or having one to one tutoring in an instrument, and banning women from walking along the road on their own late at night?

Quite the false equivalencies you’ve got there!

@Claireluna5 thank you for your interesting post. I could never do it myself but I hope you and your family don't have your lifestyle destroyed by those posters who think they know better than the NSPCC.

"It absoultely is if your a paedophile who would get gratification from seeing naked children
Paedophiles without doubt would attend these events"

Sadly paedophiles attend all sorts of events that would give them gratification. I have to say though, it may be slightly more evident at a naturist event!

We are also making the assumption that a paedophile would be happy to go naked themselves...

We are community that looks out for each other, and have safeguarding officers looking out for our wellbeing - any behaviour displayed that looks 'iffy' would be picked up on quickly and dealt with.

The fact is that the event will directly appeal to paedophiles and why would anyone want to put their child into that environment
Yes there are paedophiles in all walks of life but why do something that would encourage this behaviour.

You seem to think nudity is the key to/cause of child abuse. It isn't. If you read my posts you'd see I was referring to the authority these people hold over children. Football coaches sometimes abuse children. they use their position of authority and other grooming techniques. They don't need nudity.

"What about the people who will take photographs at these events?
Then the child’s photograph ends up on the Internet ?"

We are not allowed to take photos at events

Missymoo100
Well clearly you are better informed than the police and the NSPCC so you can wallow in your self righteousness

Talkinpeace
I have significant child protection experience thanks very much

@EmilyFromHades

thank you xxx

Missymoo
I think this type of stuff is a sign of the absolute moral decay going on in this country.
You also have deeply intolerant attitudes.

Intolerant of... stabbings?, promotion of paedophile funfairs?......

Quite the false equivalencies you’ve got there!

Not at all. Paedophiles are attracted to situations that give them access to children and the chance to groom them. A paedophile has no more access to children or chance to groom them at a naturist event than at any beach. Being a football coach or scout leader or priest is attractive to paedophiles as they give opportunity to groom children.

I once went to a British Naturism event at a venue entirely booked by them. Of about 50 people in attendance there was one small child (of the usually-naked-at-the-beach age) and everybody else was over the age of 40 (really mostly over 60). Any hopeful paedophiles would be sorely disappointed. These are very wholesome events, it's all about body positivity, freedom and feeling the breeze/water/grass and so on on your skin.

I know families do go to nudist camps etc, but given the time is 8-10pm I think it's largely an adult event. However, if you advertise an "adults only" nude event you get significantly more weirdos or people who have misunderstood what it's all about.

One difference is the event I attended I think was members only and was not nationally advertised. But surely it's harder for an aroused male to hide his motives naked, wouldn't they be worried about that?

“A paedophile has no more access to children or chance to groom them at a naturist event than at any beach.”

Considering more than access, what about going to observe children? I know one poster said no photographs- but how is this monitored when cameras are easily accessible on phones, iPads etc?
Not all child sexual offences include contact

Some of these comments are truly bizarre.

You can get lung cancer if you’ve never smoked a cigarette, but that’s not a licence to smoke 40 a day for 40 years.

I could die in a car accident at 40 miles an hour, that doesn’t mean I’m going to drive around at 100 miles an hour anyway.

Children can be abused anywhere and we must be vigilant, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to actively make choices that make my children more vulnerable to being groomed.

"You seem to think nudity is the key to/cause of child abuse. It isn't. If you read my posts you'd see I was referring to the authority these people hold over children. Football coaches sometimes abuse children. they use their position of authority and other grooming techniques. They don't need nudity."

I'm aware what you were referring to. But this thread about.......ah you know what? Nevermind. You know what it's about, and it's not positions of authority in general, as you well know.

But surely it's harder for an aroused male to hide his motives naked, wouldn't they be worried about that?

Again, this is not the biggest danger - the normalisation and erosion of a child’s boundaries are much more of a concern to me.