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Gossip that has gone very wrong

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ChorltonCreamery · 07/03/2019 14:19

One of my children is in an 'organisation' think church group, Scouts etc They are in a friendship group of about six or eight and the mothers are friendly enough, if some of them don't know each other they will have mutual friends etc.
One of the women 'A' is a real character, very funny and charismatic with very talented and charming children. When one of her children came to my child's birthday party I thought that her grandfather had brought her...it was their father. A is married to a man old enough to be her father. He has grandchildren who are older than his children with A.
At the weekend the mothers went out together for the first time but 'A' couldn't come. The conversation turned to 'A' and the relationship that she had with this man. At no point was it 'nasty' as such but comments were made about the age gap etc. One parent admitted that the family had not been invited to a gathering at a school friend's house because the husband had found it weird to have to talk to someone old enough to be his dad.
Well last night in front of some of the children 'A' confronted us! She had been briefed (I think by a woman at the next table to us who had lingered after her bill came). She completely demolished us intellectually, asking what had she done to provoke such a reaction and picked on us individually. Unforgivably she then asked a teenager whether her mother had brought her up to behave so despicably a manner and whether she thought it was appropriate to gossip behind people's backs. One of the group disappeared round a corner and was sick.
It was utterly hideous. I know I am guilty of joining in. I don't know what to do. One of the other children has told my child what happened. Only one of the group has responded to my text saying that she thinks that 'the circle' is at an end and the other person that she has spoken to has spent the morning in bed with a migraine.
I know I am to blame for joining in but I didn't initiate the gossip, but how would you react now. What is the way forward?

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givemesteel · 08/03/2019 05:15

This has got Daily Mail written all over it, I don't think think the situation will improve if the woman finds out one of this group has also been gossiping about it with 500+ randoms from the Internet.

I'm surprised the OP hasn't considered the impact of this woman finding out that there's now also a thread on Mumsnet about her, which is pretty likely even if she's not on Mumsnet as the content is pretty identifying for those that know her, so she nah find out through a friend.

hardyloveit · 08/03/2019 05:57

Omg you have all seriously over reacted!!!! One of you was being sick???

Maybe try and realise just because u don't know people in the room they may know who you are talking about!
You were all wrong to sit there and bitch or gossip about another friend.
Don't do it if you can't say the exact same thing to her face!!!

Now your all worried etc sorry but you all sound very very immature

BeautifulName · 08/03/2019 06:33

OP doesn’t need to beat herself up or stop being in this group of friends, unless she feels the group is nasty. Friend A has every right to be hurt, but arguing in front of the kids is emotionally immature. None of the kids needed to know about this- including her own kids. It’s not nice to be talked about but it’s human nature to do it- if friend B, C or D was absent they’d likely have come up too. Not wrong in itself, unless the group was actually nasty about them.

And nobody has to include people as friends if they don’t want to or don’t think they’ll have anything in common. This may mean missing out, but honestly, I wouldn’t make a beeline for A’s husband either, unless I massively wanted to be A’s friend.
If his grandchildren are older than his other kids, then A is the approximate age of his own child. I’m wary of men who marry women half their age. I would assume it was a sexist relationship and I would be concerned about the power dynamics.
I would be wondering what’s going to happen to her and the kids when he inevitably dies way before a man of his wife’s age normally dies.
I would be particularly thinking of how his adult kids- especially any daughters- might see their dad’s marriage to a woman in their age group. And how they feel about having half-siblings younger than their own kids. Is he able to be a good granddad while he is still being a dad to his young kids etc.

sagradafamiliar · 08/03/2019 06:58

Be careful Beautiful I made the same valid points yesterday and it went down like a sack of shit for some reason.
This thread just took off and went strange. Suggestions of sending flowers, writing heartfelt letters, ringing up and apologising to extended family turned into OP should should a fucking good kicking....I'm surprised no one has suggested setting up a gofundme page for a spa day for A. I think the responses are as wild as the OP's post!

sagradafamiliar · 08/03/2019 06:58

Should receive*

Janecon · 08/03/2019 07:02

I think the key thing is that you know that what happened was wrong and you want to make amends. I would either go and see her or call her and say that you are sorry for what happened and ashamed that she was so upset. Own the problem and face up to it. She may not want to be friends with you any more but you will have done what you can. I hope it works out.

Bagpuss5 · 08/03/2019 07:19

MN usually has looooooong threads justifying bitchy sniping at the Duchess of whoever or some female celebrity or presenter. Suddenly we 're all horrified that a group of women passed comment on a local person because of her unusual choice of partner.
Seems a bit unlikely this is never done in real life.

UnspiritualHome · 08/03/2019 07:52

I agree that whether a child is "too" quiet has a lot to do with the teachers. DS blossomed the year his class teacher was someone who had a reputation as a bit of a dragon, because she kept the more excitable spirits in class under control and gave kids like DS the opportunity to contribute. The following year his teacher was a very extrovert type who basically hyped the class up. She did have the grace to admit at a parents' evening that she hadn't been able to understand his excellent reports from the year before until she set quite a complicated writing task that actually allowed him to show his talents without being shouted down. Unfortunately she didn't really learn from it, however, so he relapsed into being the quiet one for the rest of that year.

Rixera · 08/03/2019 07:54

Oh FGS. With all the useless DH threads on here I'm assuming most people are in sexist relationships. Are all of them married to older men, or are there plenty of crap men in every age group?

My DP was single for a long time because he is shy and gentle. He devoted most of his time to a career in a caring profession. That's why he was resigned to being single when I met him. Far from a sexist stereotype there.

These women are not only making shitty assumptions, but excluding someone they know personally due to them.

HisBetterHalf · 08/03/2019 07:55

I must have missed the rule that says you cant talk to people older than yourself? What an arse

scissorsandpen · 08/03/2019 07:59

This cannot be a genuine story a grown woman was sick and another took to bed and the circle is over because the injured party confronted you all. Seems very weird to me. Do you live in a small village ?

Anyway a massive apology would be the first step.

IvanaPee · 08/03/2019 08:04

^I’m wary of men who marry women half their age. I would assume it was a sexist relationship and I would be concerned about the power dynamics.
I would be wondering what’s going to happen to her and the kids when he inevitably dies way before a man of his wife’s age normally dies.
I would be particularly thinking of how his adult kids- especially any daughters- might see their dad’s marriage to a woman in their age group. And how they feel about having half-siblings younger than their own kids. Is he able to be a good granddad while he is still being a dad to his young kids etc.^

That’s an awful lot of thinking about someone else’s relationship. How strange. Don’t you have any hobbies??

StillCoughingandLaughing · 08/03/2019 09:02

PLEASE can this thread go into Classics. It has everything. Ridiculous reactions (vomiting, taking to your bed with the vapours - it’s a pity no one spontaneously combusted). Flowery OTT language (‘demolished us intellectually’ - is that a fancy way of saying she told you you were all as thick as cement pudding?) A desperate attempt to blame the victim by claiming she ‘unforgivably’ involved a teenager (not so unforgivable that the OP decide not to create a thread asking for ways to get this woman to forgive her). The lone poster who vehemently defends the OP at every turn in the face of all good sense.

If this was Netflix, we’d be recommending the gossip vomit show to everyone we know.

MadameDD · 08/03/2019 09:27

I've caught up on this thread this morning - and was reading some of it (and other threads) on way home last night - and yes, agree that the teenage daughter of one of the women should have been to brought to task over her mum/dad's upbringing of her. Actually I recall as a teenager myself, years ago, gossiping (but I didn't see it that way) and my own DM said not to do it - of course I ignored her.

And also, yes, everyone gossips to a certain degree - let's not make out on MN that we're some higher moral breed kind of person who never gossips - but this is slightly different in it's cruelty. But I bet there are others who've gossiped like this.

It looks here as if this 'circle' would have been quite happy to have kept up the 'gossip' and maybe turned it into Chinese Whispers, again, how would one of the original circle feel if the gossip was about them?

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BeautifulName · 08/03/2019 09:40

Mumsnet is full of people talking about other people and other people’s relationships Smile

HappydaysArehere · 08/03/2019 09:42

The man she loves is being talked about in a catty fashion. What wife wouldn’t retaliate in a major way. You all need to get together, grovel and apologise along with flowers or maybe seats for a show for her and her husband.

bobstersmum · 08/03/2019 09:47

You sound like a bunch of bitchy drama queen's! Who the hell disappears around a corner to be sick? Bonkers the lot of you, have you thought of having your own TV show?

NataliaOsipova · 08/03/2019 10:01

Mumsnet is full of people talking about other people and other people’s relationships smile

Yes....probably because it isn’t considered very nice to bitch about your friends to other friends of theirs....!

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 08/03/2019 10:40

"She's not Voldermort"! Grin

Wow this thread is looooong now.

Discussing a persons behaviour and the negative impact it has on others isn't gossip for those of you stating that we're all gossiping now. Natalia makes the point about if your conversation was recorded and played back to that person hand on heart would they be happy with what you've said? Workday you squirm or justify what you've said with no repercussions? A good litmus test.
Dora - yes! gossip types are often the ones to spout that and "I say it as I see it, I'm just honest me". Code for many a gobby, nasty bullying twat. Good for you calling them out. Our kids need to see us doing this more often.

If this had been a group of men would A be called things like domineering, drama queen, control freak etc? >also ponders while rubbing chin

LakieLady · 08/03/2019 10:49

Is A looking for some new friends now? I'd love to have a pal like her, she sounds awesome.

I can be pretty fierce, but I've never managed to deliver a tongue lashing of such severity that it's induced migraines and vomitting. That's a real skill. Grin

Serves you all right imo. And as for your friend's husband, who can't bear to socialise with a man from a different generation - what a pillock.

Vulpine · 08/03/2019 10:58

Oh come on, 'A' sounds a little unhinged as well!

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 08/03/2019 11:25

Vulpine if the situation OP describes is typical of what A sees and hears it may have been the straw that broke the camels back, perhaps she was thoroughly pissed off at gossipy judgey idiots and let rip with a touch more enthusiasm than normal.

I'm sure many of us have a similar button that if pressed often enough could provoke an "unhinged" reaction!

I still want to know how to make others puke through the power of my wrath. This can only ever be awesome Smile

Tryingtoholdittogether · 08/03/2019 11:38

I say well done honour friend for calling out the bitchiness. I have a husband 17 years older than myself and are very happy. If any of my friends gossiped about it I would be more than happy to give them a few home truths. Why was it an observation... it was gossip and bitchy. I would say she is more mature than yourselves and now knows who her friends are. Let it be a lesson to all of you not to gossip. Also you probably all gossip about each other behind each other's backs. So you are in good company

DistanceCall · 08/03/2019 12:21

Oh come on, 'A' sounds a little unhinged as well!

Yes, because being bitched about and excluded because you have an older husband is perfectly reasonable and something friends do. Of course.