Boys left behind at school while girls get trip

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Recently my sons class went on an educational trip to a local university. But only the girls. The boys were left behind with a cover teacher listening to music and generally doing very little. My son is GCSE year and would have benefited from a computing and science event. No it was only for the girls with no mention of anything for the boys. I understand this was a STEM event for girls only but if there was a STEM event for boys only there would be uproar! AIBU?

Here's another one... I have spoken to so many women over the years who want to make a small career shift or go for a bigger role somewhere else (including me). And yet, we are told, repeatedly, that because we don't have the experience of already doing the job, we can't take on those additional tasks.

And YET, I have had multiple bosses, or people in my broader working environment, who have been promoted or hired into jobs for which they had np previous experience. My boss at my last large corporate got promotions constantly and was able to move from something highly specialised to a very senior, very generalist role but they consistently would not consider similar moves for me or any of peers (female).

Then my next boss, came in as my boss from a similar but different discipline. No one suggested he could not do the job.

Sorry Storm I find the idea that poor white boys are more privileged than middle class girls ludicrous. These boys are hindered in every stage of education and certainly not enjoying privilege which is why they are so unrepresented at unis.

Still no sign of the OP?

What a surprise.

It's not just continental Europe though, as I alluded to in my earlier post several pages back most of the female engineers I work with are not British and more often then not come from societies/cultures that are way more patriarchal/sexist then the UK.

The STEM imbalance between the sexes is a cultural issue, mostly associated with the USA, Canada, UK, northern European countries and Australia and New Zealand.

N0rdicStar male privilege isn't about "having all the advantages and getting an easy ride", its actually "there may be many challenges for you to overcome but your gender isn't one of them."

Is a poor white boy as advantaged as a rich white boy? Of course not. Is a poor black boy less advantaged than a poor white boy? Yes, because they will have a much higher chance of additional hurdles purely due to concious and unconcious bias against them because of their race - you only have to look at the experiments where identical CVs used stereotypically white (Chad, Steven) and stereotypically non-white (Darnell, Jesus) names to see that, the "white" names were much more likely to be called in for interview. That's white privilege. That's what X privilege means.

Even though people will say they judge everything equally, are they really? If they have 2 identical CVs but one is Alan and one is Sarah, can you be 100% positive there will be no element of "well we like to have a laugh and a joke in the office and go out for beers, I think Alan will just fit in better"?

Spot on stormtreader

Some research was done recently on unconscious bias in recruitment - specifically science based roles in universities. Despite having an identical CVs men were more likely to get hired than women. When you add ethnicity into the mix white men were more likely to get the job than anyone of any other ethnicity.

Deep rooted inequalities still exist and need to be addressed.

If anyone is interested in what their own unconscious biases are google Harvard unconscious bias...there are some every interesting tests you can take.

YANBU this is outrageous sexism

No it isn't

Just imagine if this was only the boys who were included I think there would be a fair few on mumsnet (as they should) who would have something to say about it.

Not if it was for a career where men are underrepresented.

OP Just to cross a lot of threads and annoy a lot of people.
Why didn't your DS just self-identify as a girl? he could unselfidentify later.

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YANBU this is outrageous sexism. Just imagine if this was only the boys who were included I think there would be a fair few on mumsnet (as they should) who would have something to say about it.”

What- like the boy’s only reading groups I am involved with at our school?

'Girls get left behind while boys get... better salaries, easier promotions, and faster career progression'

To provide an alternative thread title.

OPJust to cross a lot of threads and annoy a lot of people.
Why didn't your DS just self-identify as a girl? he could unselfidentify later

I've learned a lot from this thread ( good and bad), but I think people need to remember we're talking about children and stop being smart/mean

Good old Athena Swann in action. The op got burned on this thread!

he fact is many girls just don’t like STEM and that’s why there is a gender imbalance just as men are underrepresented in hairdressing.

This is absolute rubbish. And many many posters on this thread have discussed it in their own experience. Girls are discouraged in a million ways from these careers while men are discouraged from caring roles.

But let's look at hairdressing - when there IS a man, he is more likely to be the famous and leading hairdresser.

what about chefs? Cooking is all about women and yet, the world's leading chefs are men? Why? Because the top/high status/well paid careers are for men and the rest are for women. it's NOT because all those female chefs just didn't want to be the one with the Michelin stars and their own restaurant.

WAKE UP.

OP come to my lectures, look at how many women are there, then look at how many non white women are there, and how many non white men are there.

Then tell me there’s no imbalance.

I agree with the OP/

The girls should have gone to a STE event
The boys should have gone to a M event

given that 55% of medical school entrants are female.

No one wants to look at the fact that girls outperform boys at all school levels, go on to get more degrees and to get better degrees. No one wants to look at the fact that places where sex equality has been pushed the most, particularly say Scandinavian countries, sex gaps in terms of occupations actually widens. Turns out the more you empower people to make their own individual choices the greater disparity in job choices between the sexes.

My argument being that a lot of girl focused stuff is a bit misplaced. No one makes a fuss that there's hardly any male social workers or nurses. No one posts "I'm the only male social worker in my team we need a recruitment drive for boys". It's almost, ALMOST, like male dominated roles are see as better... so feminist huh.

Girls only STEM event is fine. Some other kind of event to encourage boys at the same time would be preferable to leaving them to waste a day, particularly given boys on average have lower attainment.

I believe the M in STEM is for mathematics.

takethebiscuit you obviously don't understand how social inequality and widening participation works.

The way to fix any inequality is not by creating further inequality.

No it’s not, it’s totally ineffective. That’s why Labour ended up introducing all-women shortlists, because forcing CLPs to select women in winnable seats was the only way that substantially increased female representation in parliament. Any other methods barely changed things at all.

@Jenala. . For the last two years, boys have outperformed girls at A level.

The years where girls outperformed boys are a mere drop in the ocean in the centuries where men outperformed women. There is more to redressing the balance of power and money between women and men than STEM subjects alone but it is seen as one of the areas that leads to jobs with money and power where women are under represented.

“No one makes a fuss that there's hardly any male social workers or nurses.”
Well, I do. But I am sure you think that men are just not suited to, or want to do jobs like this, which are
coincidenrally low status and low paid,

Jenala

No one wants to look at the fact that girls outperform boys at all school levels, go on to get more degrees and to get better degrees.

What are these better degrees?