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AIBU?

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To tell ex to fuck right off

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Lolasinthegarden · 04/03/2019 12:29

Ex abruptly stopped seeing DD four months ago (new partner on the scene). Literally just stopped turning up, no contact since. She was devastated and it's only been the last few weeks she's stopped asking about him.

Her 4th birthday is in 3 weeks. I've just had a text off him: "whats happening with DD's birthday" I text him back and said 'in what sense?' and he replied "i want to see her"

I'm torn between ignoring him, sending him a laughing face emoji or replying 'well she wanted to see you when she was in the hospital for two days and when you didn't turn up to her school play and all the times she tried calling you and you didn't answer so i'd suggest you fuck right off asking whats happening on her birthday you utter cock'

AIBU?

OP posts:
Pieceofpurplesky · 04/03/2019 13:17

I wouldn't send a text that could be seen as abusive. He will use that against you and say that is why he doesn't see his Dd. The one pp posted earlier is a better text to send,

Keep it polite in case it gets to the family court.

Hi Ex, DD will be celebrating her birthday at X venue with family and friends and of course you are welcome to attend. As she has not seen you for a few months I am
Concerned about her staying overnight as she has been really upset by your absence and quite negative about your relationship. You need to rebuild her trust with you. Perhaps it would be better to get a formal court order in place with regards to contact as it is unfair on DD if you are going to keep disappearing and appearing in her life.

finallyme2018 · 04/03/2019 13:18

I would send your message, my child father got one chance just like I have if I decided to jet off on a 4 month holiday abandoning my child, would social services really just say oh well your back here your child, we've really enjoyed caring for them, no it would take months of proving myself and many many courses before they let me be a part of my child life again, so in my mind it just the same, you are not damaging my child anymore than your initial abandonment has caused. So go on courses understand the damage you've done and attempt to become a better person before I risk my child well being. I feel like this as my own father was in and out of my life and the damage it causes is long term and the pain is greater than his initial abandonment and felt alot more keenly at least for myself and siblings it is. We were young when he went initially but when he finally stop contact we were teenagers now as adults it affect us all in different ways. The small amount of attention they get is not worth the damage it causes.

FizzyGreenWater · 04/03/2019 13:20

She was devastated and it's only been the last few weeks she's stopped asking about him.

Too much of a risk to even think about birthday contact when she's literally only just getting over not seeing him for so long - too soon. I think she'd find the suddent reappearance and 'Happy Birthday darling!!' like FUCK ALL HAPPENED just as traumatising, if not more. Don't do it to her on her birthday, really.

Friend has had this. Dad is overseas but what the kids struggle with most isn't him being gone, it's when he pops up and is Mr Cheery 'Love Ya!' dad who brushes off their questions about why he hasn't called for six months and why he never replied to their texts, oooh well I was busy but HEY look at this amaaaazing thing I'm just about to send you to make up for it!' Utterly awful for them. She wishes now she'd just cut contact.

Look, he has SHOWN how much he gives a shit - he doesn't. You cannot make him be a good dad, you can give all the warnings you like but you KNOW from his actions that deep down he does not care about this little girl, not like a parent should. So yep he will probably do the same thing again in a few months, or maybe a year, because he's shown when the chips are down that it doesn't take much to push her off the bottom of the list of important things. Do you really think he's going to listen to your warnings and totally change, or even give your threats any weight?! He will have at the back of his mind the idea that 'She's my daughter too, her mum can't dictate to me anyway.'

I don't know exactly what reply I would send now but I would be very clear just how traumatising your DD has found the last few months and how hard it has been for her to process the fact that her dad has abandoned her. I would be 100% clear that NO FUCKING WAY is he popping up on her birthday - that she would find that utterly upsetting and you're sure he doesn't want to be faced with a hysterical child screaming questions at him in a situation like that. No. Way.

If he wants to restart contact it is going to have to be slowly, carefully and he had better be prepared to have some very good, age-appropriate answers for his daughter on why he ghosted her. It won't be for her birthday. He needs to tell you what his plans are for contact so you can start introducing the idea of him returning and gauge how she feels. Suggest counselling. Oh and tell him you will also be going to CMS as you too could do with a less traumatic, more formalised set of arrangements going forward now you've seen exactly how little he can be trusted to b a parent.

If he doesn't agree to the timeline and suggestions you propose then he can just take it to court as you won't be compromising one inch. He'll then see DD once a court order has been finalised and not one second before.

Basically what all that will do is give him a massive wake up call as to exactly what the effect of his actions have been and how seriously you're taking it. And... he will either wake up, OR he will think 'Oh fuck that' - and then you will know where you stand.

Have to say I think it will be the latter, and then you'll save you and your DD a whole shed load of more trauma.

Men like this fucking stink. He will be no loss to her.

PinaColada1 · 04/03/2019 13:20

Yep I’d said that. But without the name calling. Always always better to be dignified.

I’d also make this squarely about DD. Say that she needs consistency and that she will be feeling very emotional and cross if he just turns up on her birthday. That he can see her but in terms that protect her emotional security.

PinaColada1 · 04/03/2019 13:20

Send that... apologies

BejamNostalgia · 04/03/2019 13:23

OP, I really think for your own benefit you really need to give one last chance that he knows is his last chance, purely because that then removes any responsibility off you and onto him.

If you do that, he can’t say ‘Oh I was a bit skint/under the weather/doing loads of overtime so I missed a few visits and her DM out of the blue told me I could never see her again’.

If you give him a chance which he knows is his last, he knows he has to turn up, he knows he has to be reliable, then if he fucks that up it is completely and utterly 100% his fault he won’t say his daughter because he knew what he had to do and he fucked it up. He can’t say you didn’t warn him or it’s unfair.

It means when your DD is older, you can look her in the eye and explain the reason her father did not see her was 100% his fault. He was given a last chance, he knew it was his last chance and he blew it.

BejamNostalgia · 04/03/2019 13:23

*see his daughter

DragAndDrop · 04/03/2019 13:24

He stopped seeing her and cut maintenance in half? No no no that isn't how it works. Get a CMS claim in immediately as new GF is most likely enjoying the benefit of money that should be spent on DD.

I think pieceofpurplesky has a good approach. And I totally agree that you must expect that anything you write could be put infront of a judge, so however angry you justifiably are, keep it civil and make sure that everything you say is from the perspective of what's right for DD

Actuariesrus · 04/03/2019 13:24

How about...

well she wanted to see you when she was in the hospital for two days and when you didn't turn up to her school play and all the times she tried calling you and you didn't answer. She is just starting to come to terms with the devastation her father dropping out of her life has caused. If you want to restart the relationship you are going to have to demonstrate your commitment to her. Which means...

In the dot dot but think about what works for you. Do you want to make him go through court? Then state that. Do you only want letter contact for the next X months then supervised? He will get bored I would guess, but it makes you look reasonable in front of a judge. I don't think you should let him see her, that would be confusing. A card is enough. Anything else on her birthday is none of his business.

Inniu · 04/03/2019 13:26

Take the high road

“DD was very upset when you suddenly cut contact and disappeared out of her life. I am concerned that it would be very damaging for her to have you to appear again and then cut contact again.
If you want contact with DD I think you should apply through the courts and a proper assessment of what is in her best interests can be made.
After all her needs are more important than what either of us want”

JaneEyre07 · 04/03/2019 13:27

It's tempting but don't give him any ammunition to use against you.

Your poor DD Sad

Dillydallyingthrough · 04/03/2019 13:32

My ex disappeared when DD was 1, after 2 years he wanted to see her again - I said he had to prove he was serious by calling on a particular day at a set time - he failed the first time. She's 14 and decided she wanted to meet him, I contacted him via FB. They've met twice and that's enough for my DD- she has worked out what he's like. Like PP I have not encouraged or discouraged contact.

I would go via CMS, text him to say that she has been upset so he needs to show he is reliable and see if you can build contact again. Attending her birthday is not the appropriate time and place though.

downcasteyes · 04/03/2019 13:35

Inniu's text is perfect!

DarkDarkNight · 04/03/2019 13:37

Be the bigger person. I know it would feel good to send a snotty text but it doesn’t serve you or more importantly your Daughter well. If your Daughter would like to see him on the day give him a time convenient for you.

If you want to at least reference it do it in a more grown up way that is about your daughter’s needs. I think it’s fine to seek assurances that he wants regular contact by saying ‘she has missed you but has stopped asking now, are you going to commit to see her regularly?’.

The Maintenance is a separate issue. He can’t just cut it on half. Go through CMS if you need to and he can pay the extra if you can’t trust him not to cut it without warning.

Nanny0gg · 04/03/2019 13:40

Why aren’t you claiming official maintenance?

Eatmycheese · 04/03/2019 13:41

If you send that text you are doing yourself and your daughter a disservice
Don’t be abusivr
Calmly set out what he has done and why things need to be better so her welfare and happiness is prioritised over anything else : I’d being a parent to her.
I wouldn’t allow him to celebrate her birthday with her it needs to be managed.

But having a CAO doesn’t mean he will be any more reliable. It will mean he can throw it in your face though.

I would just go through CMS he is legally obliged to pay the correct amount on time and they do the chasing up if it’s not forthcoming.

YanTanTethera01 · 04/03/2019 13:43

You definitely need a formal agreement in place. Sounds like he'll treat maintenance as a pay-per-view arrangement if you don't. The people at the family court are great at helping you with all the forms.

Disfordarkchocolate · 04/03/2019 13:45

I agree with the PP who suggested starting with telephone contact, him suddenly turning up on her birthday would be very difficult for her. Start with the telephone and see how reliable he is. Brief him not to mess with her head by mentioning coming to her party.

Gruzinkerbell1 · 04/03/2019 13:45

I'd just ignore him. He'd have to do a lot more than send one crappy text to prove he was serious about being allowed back in her life.

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 04/03/2019 13:45

Send it but possibly tone down the sweary bit so he can’t use it against you. DD is your priority here

lisamac28 · 04/03/2019 13:51

Tell him he has one last chance to be reliably on the scene with pre-agreed access, but if he does this again you are stopping access for good

Please don't do this. I stupidly allowed my ex back into DDs life when she was 4, after he'd fucked off for 18 months. He fucked off again after 1 year. Getting DD through being abandoned again was heartbreaking, she was devastated and I felt so so guilty for allowing him back in her life again. Send the text, keep him away.

everythingisbetterafteranap · 04/03/2019 13:51

Just sending you sympathy Op.

What a shit.

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Purplecatshopaholic · 04/03/2019 13:53

A friend of mine spent literally years trying to facilitate meetings and time between his 2 daughters and himself. All it did was mess with their heads and they are seriously screwed up now. It came from a good place but all of the rest of us could see it was a bad idea as the man is a complete wankpuffin. Sometimes they are better off without the twat!

Wuddlingheights · 04/03/2019 13:53

I would cut off all contact if you can (apologies - I don’t know how these things work from a legal perspective). Having him come in and out of her life is just going to break her little heart over and over again.

Inertia · 04/03/2019 14:00

Don't send a sweary text. There's a chance that any message trail could be examined in court at some point, so you must demonstrate that you are putting your daughter's well-being first. I would totally concur with the sentiment behind your message, but you must be seen to rise above petty points-scoring - in fact, he might well be laying a trap for you to show how unreasonable you are.

@Innui's message is excellent; I would also add a line about how concerned you are about his communication with you with respect to your child, given that he blocked your number and avoided all contact when your child was in hospital .