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Drinking at 13

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Springwalk · 28/02/2019 10:23

My dd (13) went to a birthday party on Saturday night, the party involved drinking vodka and smoking. The mother provided alcohol (homemade cider apparently) and what was supposed to be a girly sleepover morphed into a mixed sleepover.

I am now feeling incredibly anxious about the next party in a few weeks time, it looks like the same children are invited. I have spoken to the mother about drinking etc, and she said she may give the dc something watered down, but can't really guarantee the dc won't bring their own vodka etc with them. Although I understand she can't check every bag or supervise every waking moment, I don't feel very confident that the same won't happen again. I think it is very likely to be the same or worse.

DD now doesn't want to go to any more parties full stop, she said she feels really stressed and under pressure to drink and smoke, but all of her friends have been invited, she will be the only one that won't be there.

I had no idea that this would start so soon. I am really surprised and shocked. I thought it would be a year or two before we had to worry about this.

I am worried she will be isolated if she doesn't go, and but I am much more worried about the parties and under age drinking, and all the rest.

I wasn't exactly Theresa May when I was growing up, but 13 feels very early to be doing this.

MN I need some words of wisdom.

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Springwalk · 28/02/2019 12:55

steath Yes this started at the beginning of last summer, and some children turned 13 in the August (4 of them) and has steadily got worse. It started out as smuggled drinks at kids discos, and now has moved onto house parties with alcohol provided by the parents.

I am just over forty too, and this was in no way a thing when I was young, I would also add I grew up in a very questionable area, with some significant issues. Drinks were freely available in our parents drinks cabinets, but I was still playing with my care bears at 12 Shock

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Springwalk · 28/02/2019 13:00

I know bloody lame! I got all wrong I should have been dancing and drinking the night away whilst I had the chance Grin

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EmeraldShamrock · 28/02/2019 13:01

Yanbu. I wouldn't allow my DD. I know it will probably cause tension but these teenager years and the choices they make can really mess them up long into adulthood.
My aunt took rein in her 14 yo when we were teens, we all thought she was very cruel keeping her away from her mates, she is now married with 2 DC and a qualified solicitor.
I don't care if my DD hates me short term, I won't allow her drink at 13.

Springwalk · 28/02/2019 13:05

Thanks emerald that is very good to hear. Most of them will probably sail through it unscathed, but not all, and for the unlucky ones it could have huge consequences.

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Springwalk · 28/02/2019 13:13

I am printing out this thread, and I am going to read it every single time I have a moment of self doubt :)

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thebabessavedme · 28/02/2019 13:40

apart from anything else surely these parents should be considering their childs physical and mental health? these are still growing children, we all know the health implications for adults who drink and smoke, what the hell is this going to do to them in the long term? its almost training them for ill health in adulthood.

YogaWannabe · 28/02/2019 13:51

I just can’t believe the other parents are so ok with this! My mind isn’t boggled!
I live smack bang between a really “naice” sought after area and one of the most notorious places in my country county and we have friends and family in both places and absolutely none of them would condone this.
I’d seriously facilitate her finding new friends/hobbies.
Whatever about the kids doing it, I’d still want her removed from that situation but the parents in this case would sicken me.

YogaWannabe · 28/02/2019 13:52

*my mind is boggled. Clearly 🤣

mayathebeealldaylong · 28/02/2019 13:56

I am still in shock that parents these days can be so careless and my concern is you need to teach your ds not to follow peer pressure. It's want I reinforce to my ds, as soon as a friend repeatedly insists on you doing something you say no too, you explain that' you know the more you go on I want do it' 'you know I'm not the person who will be pushed in to it' I know it easier said than done. But that's how I was, so after a while my mates got that and my ds 14 is the same.
It don't have to come across aggression but that it's a personality trait.
I had many many many friends that smoked weed and I won't full stop, I'm not going to be controlled in to doing something I don't want - that was my internal thought.
And still to this day I haven't.
I wish you good luck with this, because sadly even though I said no to weed because I didn't want to BUT back then 15 years ago you could get in to clubs and drinking at a park was highly popular, I had a huge issue with alcohol and at 15 I stopped completely until I was about 20 and still at times the excessive drinking behaviour I'd learnt at a young age came back.
Lots of anxiety and depression not only because I wanted to drink because of the fool behaviour or you mates saying you acting this or that way.

Notwotuknow · 28/02/2019 14:01

My dc will often say " Can you say I'm not allowed to...." so that they can blame whatever it is on me, and not 'offend' their friends, or seem uncool.
I'm more than happy to play the bad guy in these situations.

We've always allowed them to taste a sip of alcohol (well, from about 6yo) on the rare occasions we have a drink.

We've never made a big deal about it and have always been honest about why people drink and the possible consequences of over doing it.

As such ours haven't shown that much interest in it, and in general, (and certainly always until the last year or so), they've always been put off by the 'disgusting taste' (their words).

My oldest only really started going to parties where alcohol was supplied by parents at 16.
At 16 here they're allowed to drink cider/lager, and if I'd known/ trusted the parents or trusted the friends I may have let her have a couple, but I didn't.
Instead I bought her some alcohol free Kopperburg to take with her and although she wasn't completely happy (more about what it would look like to others), she understood that if she showed she could be trusted to stick to our rules she'd be given more freedom and possibly be allowed the odd cider in future.

I later found out that the parents had bought vodka, etc, which I wasn't really happy about, and that there weren't even any adults present.
Although she'd stuck to our rules, I said in future, I'd prefer it if we hosted the parties here, rather than somewhere else, but there'd be no hard liqueur allowed, and everyone invited would have to tell their parents that there would be cider available at the party.

Since then we've hosted 3 or 4 'parties' (they're now all 17/18), and haven't really had any issues. My dc makes it clear that no one is expected to drink and we provide plenty of non alcohol choices as well as some cider/beers. I also provide food first so they're not drinking on an empty stomach, and I always stay downstairs. They have to come down to get drinks, etc.

Doing this I've found that none of them over do it, and generally only have a few each. They actually seen to prefer having rules and it being made clear that no one has to drink.

My youngest isn't allowed to drink as they're still only 14, and to be fair they don't really like the taste so far (when they've been allowed to try). The friends they have aren't interested either, which helps.

My oldest has been allowed, under supervision, to drink cider from 16, eg, 1 bottle at meals out where the restaurant allows it (some have their own policies of not under 21, for example), and at parties we hold or where I personally know and trust the parents (only 1 of them, and they've only hosted 1 party) and they're now 17 and have a pretty sensible attitude towards alcohol (so far).

I don't think yabu are all, and I've also been shocked at how little most parents seem to care.

I have always allowed mixed sleepovers if they want to, but they'll all sleep in one area, and everyone gets changed separately in the bathroom first. I do check on them and my 2 know that if there's any inappropriateness, or if they feel uncomfortable that I'll deal with it (They just have to text/tell me), but tbf it's still all very innocent atm.

YogaWannabe · 28/02/2019 14:06

Totally agree with mayathebeealldaylong
I’ve had the same experience regarding my attitude to drink and never quite had a normal relationship with it because of my introduction to it. I’m tee total now because I have to be, I don’t trust myself not to be.
I’m one of the better cases, other friends I drank with at that age lost their virginity in bushes and were taken advantage of and it has deeply affected them, others ended up casually taking drugs etc.

Sorry if I sound like I’m preaching it’s just I’ve seen the devastation it causes.

Auntiepatricia · 28/02/2019 14:09

Don’t be afraid to protect your child.

These poor kids.

Notwotuknow · 28/02/2019 14:11

At the last 'party', there were about 6 friends plus my eldest dc, so I'd bought 20
330ml cans of cider and provided pizza, etc, plus plenty of soft drinks.
The next day whilst we were all tidying up, I checked and there were just 5 cans of cider empty, (only 4 were drinking as I asked later) they'd brought 3 full ones back down that they'd decided they didn't want ( they all stayed over and had breakfast before leaving). There were about 12-13 cans of pop empty and 1 cartoon of apple juice.

I think they feel less pressure, knowing it isn't expected, iykwim.

SileneOliveira · 28/02/2019 14:14

I have a 13 year old daughter and she wouldn't be going.

I agree that she wants you to make the decision, ban her from going so then she can do the whole "Oh I really wanted to go but mean old mum has grounded me" routine. I'd be quite happy to play that role.

Notwotuknow · 28/02/2019 14:20

I hope that by modelling sensible 'behaviour' around alcohol, and by allowing exploration in a safe way/ environment that they'll learn their limits and be sensible themselves. So far , it seems to be working, but even I wouldn't allow my 14 yo to knowingly attend a party where there's alcohol, or even just no parents present.

BigSandyBalls2015 · 28/02/2019 14:21

Blimey that is young, I'm very laid back but I wouldn't be at all happy with 12/13 year olds being supplied with booze like this, or mixed sleepovers.

My DDs wouldn't have been going at that age.

One of mine got into drinking at parties at 15 and I wasn't happy with that but it's an improvement on 12/13. And to be fair on the parents, that was more smuggled drink than provided.

Stick to your guns OP.

mumofthree321 · 28/02/2019 14:24

This could be a difficult next few months for her and possibly you too, trying to move yourself away from this. It's not right at all and a dreadful message to be giving children so young. When they're 15/16 I expect this kind of thing to be going on in some groups ... but definitely not now (I used to be a secondary school teacher). At the end of the line, quite rightly, you don't feel comfortable and not does your daughter. She may lose friends, but in a few months/years time she will be thankful you both had the strength to move away from the group of friends and parties. If I was her and you, I'd just make up some great excuses (busy doing something else she can't get out of/family birthday/going away for the weekend etc) for the next few months of parties and hopefully they might just stop inviting her anyway.

Springwalk · 28/02/2019 15:05

I have just turned down the party. Immediately got a message saying there is another one planned this weekend ffs. I feel almost a tightening of some invisible grip they have over us. I bit the bullet and replied straight away and said we couldn’t make that either.
The silence was telling.
I am going to hurt people’s feelings, and I don’t feel good about that, but I can’t posdibly agree to any of this.
I feel like I don’t know them at all now ☹️

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StealthPolarBear · 28/02/2019 15:09

You don't. Even the parents who are OK with this stuff should understand that many won't be.
As I mentioned before I have a 12year old and I'm still nervous about giving his friends coke!

happymummy12345 · 28/02/2019 15:10

I was drinking at that age, and younger. Wouldn't bother me. As long as it's responsible I'd much prefer they do it in front of me or that I know about it. I'd prefer they drink proper drinks at home when I know what they're having than them try to get drinks some other way and o don't know what they're even drinking

Springwalk · 28/02/2019 15:11

Thank you for your posts and sharing your experiences with me. I am reading each one, and not one single post thinks it is a good idea.

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Springwalk · 28/02/2019 15:13

happy at 12/13 or do you mean older?

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StealthPolarBear · 28/02/2019 15:13

Happy why do you want them drinking at home? There is no evidence to support the safe experimentation theory

Springwalk · 28/02/2019 15:14

stealth I always thought I had reasonably good judgement. I didn’t see this coming at all.

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ZippyBungleandGeorge · 28/02/2019 15:22

15/16 you expect it a bit more, but at 13 it is just not on.