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32 days to go until Brexit , which would you prefer ? No deal , the WA or revoke ? Which is best for the majority of the population of the UK ?

346 replies

frumpety · 25/02/2019 20:18

This is a genuine question , you can give an explanation or not for your choice, entirely up to you Smile

My choice would be revoke, if I was considering the rest of the UK population. This does not mean that the UK can never leave the EU, but that those in charge would have to come up with solutions that were not detrimental to the majority of the population.

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BorisBogtrotter · 26/02/2019 11:35

I don't understand why everyone thinks that the Withdrawl agreement screws us.

There will most likely be a trade agreement by the time a back stop would be needed.

UbbesPonytail · 26/02/2019 11:38

We’re going to have civil unrest either way. If our government had an ounce of integrity and concern for the citizens that they are supposed to serve they would not, in good conscience, lead us into this shit show and have the fortitude to weather whatever storm may come.

Leave voters may not have voted because of immigration but they still voted to support a choice that was drenched in racist undertones.

Baroness Boothroyd summed it up perfectly when she said ‘a democracy not permitted to change its mind ceases to be a democracy at all.’

Leave could have worked if TM wasn’t so vehemently opposed to immigration.

Mia1415 · 26/02/2019 11:49

Revoke

PBo83 · 26/02/2019 11:50

Leave voters may not have voted because of immigration but they still voted to support a choice that was drenched in racist undertones.

So, because a very small minority of people held racist views, everybody who voted leave (for whatever reasons) is somehow supporting this?

Besides, immigration is a valid political issue up for debate. Having an opinion on immigration doesn't automatically make you a racist. If people voted Leave because the felt the current level of EU immigration was unsustainable (because of infrastructure, health care, schooling etc.) as many did, then this is a perfectly valid reason.

Baroness Boothroyd summed it up perfectly when she said ‘a democracy not permitted to change its mind ceases to be a democracy at all.’

Agreed, but there's no indication that people have changed their mind. Most people (on both sides) are frustrated with the governments ineptitude but that isn't the same as changing your core beliefs.

MrPan · 26/02/2019 12:07

There is EVERY indication people have changed their minds, via surveys and there is a shift in the demograph re age, where younger voters are more likely to vote remain and older voters dying off will have voted leave.

PBo83 · 26/02/2019 12:12

where younger voters are more likely to vote remain and older voters dying off will have voted leave.

Fuck 'em then, if they're dead now then their opinion was obviously invalid Hmm

My point was actually that, if people who previously voted to leave DID vote remain (or not vote at all) then this would most likely be down to frustration with the government's inability to deliver Brexit rather than a change in their beliefs.

As for surveys, all polls taken before the referendum indicated a Remain majority.

catgirl1976 · 26/02/2019 12:14

Revoke

bellabasset · 26/02/2019 12:52

TM has announced a vote to delay Brexit

Although older voter would still vote remain but I think TM will try to avoid a People's vote

BlueJeansNiceTop · 26/02/2019 12:56

No deal ✅

SalrycLuxx · 26/02/2019 12:59

We’re going to have civil unrest either way.

Yep.

I’d like revoke then another referendum. And if that goes for leave I would like it to be handled competently.

But the devil on My shoulder wants no deal.

Namechangedforgoodreason · 26/02/2019 13:04

Incorrect all polls did not show a remain victory. It was always pretty close

At the time if the referendum I calculated that if the assumption was the majority of new voters voted for remain in 2019 and older leavers had died remain would win. That's without a swing from leavers.

Ribbonsonabox · 26/02/2019 13:05

Ideal world revoke. Its ridiculous.. why damage the country like this? What for? Votes? I mean I cant see any benefit at all to Brexit besides 'take back control' but I'm not sure what that really means because someone always has control and it seems like the EU does better things for our country than our own current government! I'm no massive fan of the EU... I do agree it needs working on... but I trust it more than our own government at this point... most of the complaints leavers seem to have could actually be sorted by our own government anyway.. they just arent doing it.. I really dont see how the EU are to blame? I think a lot of the problems that leavers think will go away if we leave the EU will actually still be there... we arent able to fly off the face of the earth and refuse to engage with our neighbours!
No deal is obviously the worst option as far as I'm concerned.
I'd vote remain again but I'd worry that so many people are going to be angry that wed have another decade of Tory government (because for some reason people seem to vote Tory or some other right wing party when they are pissed off.. )
I just dont think theres any way in which the outcome will be positive, even if we do end up staying in I dont think it will be cause for celebration...
Cannot believe this was put to public vote in the first place. Absolute self interest from politicians.. more concerned with keeping their party together and staying in power than the actual welfare of the people of this country.

badlydrawnperson · 26/02/2019 13:07

This does not mean that the UK can never leave the EU

It does mean that though.

Pk37 · 26/02/2019 13:10

Revoke

GaraMedouar · 26/02/2019 13:14

Revoke

DarlingNikita · 26/02/2019 13:15

We should do the proper British thing: quietly revoke, look the other way and Never Speak Of It Again.

firawla · 26/02/2019 13:16

Revoke

themoomoo · 26/02/2019 13:17

How fucking dim do Leavers have to be?
and there we go again.....

Namechangedforgoodreason · 26/02/2019 13:21

Darling that's perfect. And walk away whistling with our hands in our pockets

BorisBogtrotter · 26/02/2019 13:21

"and there we go again....."

Awww wittle weavers are hurt by words, funny that they take aim at everyone else in nasty way.

Hypocritical as always.

PBo83 · 26/02/2019 13:21

if the assumption was the majority of new voters voted for remain in 2019 and older leavers had died remain would win.

You're assuming that all new voters would vote remain and calculated how many 'older' leave voters would die?

Even if this, almost completely unprovable theory were correct, at the time of the referendum, more people voted to leave and, therefore, that was the result. If we were to have another referendum and the result was to remain then do we then have to have them a bi-annual intervals as we have set a precedent?

PBo83 · 26/02/2019 13:22

Awww wittle weavers are hurt by words, funny that they take aim at everyone else in nasty way.

To be fair, virtually all the insulting comments in this threat have been from Remain voters.

JadziaSnax · 26/02/2019 13:23

Revoke

Frequency · 26/02/2019 13:25

Those who want the UK to have the freedom to make it's own trade deals I have two questions.

  1. Don't we already have the freedom to do that?
  2. Why do you think the UK, a tiny island with little resources to sell, could get better trade deals on it's own than with 27 other countries standing at its side?
Namechangedforgoodreason · 26/02/2019 13:30

Obviously the calculation had assumptions. Including the young coming out to vote. It's a projection it has to have assumptions. Your point...which was incorrect was that all polls said remain would win. They didn't. Plus it was close

If you don't want to find a way out of deadlock and or allow the people to agree the terms. Then I assume you knew that no deal was in the table....I didn't and it was never mentioned