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32 days to go until Brexit , which would you prefer ? No deal , the WA or revoke ? Which is best for the majority of the population of the UK ?

346 replies

frumpety · 25/02/2019 20:18

This is a genuine question , you can give an explanation or not for your choice, entirely up to you Smile

My choice would be revoke, if I was considering the rest of the UK population. This does not mean that the UK can never leave the EU, but that those in charge would have to come up with solutions that were not detrimental to the majority of the population.

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adulthumanwolf · 26/02/2019 10:05

Agree with everything @doIreallyneedto said.

Revoke.

BorisBogtrotter · 26/02/2019 10:07

Calv, far many more remainers signed a petition.

Remainers are marching, leavers are threatening riots.

Sanguineclamp · 26/02/2019 10:08

Revoke.

A thousand times revoke!!!

TheABC · 26/02/2019 10:12

Ideally revoke. However, I can't see it happening so I am holding out hope for an extension and PV with No-Deal taken off the menu.

I am amazed at how many people still want No-Deal, despite the media coverage on food, medicine, factory closures and capital fleeing the country. Why would you willingly vote for disaster?

Clavinova · 26/02/2019 10:20

far many more remainers signed a petition

Not the current petitions here:

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/232984
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/239706

Which petition are you referring to?

MrsBertBibby · 26/02/2019 10:21

Revoke. The referendum result was purchased by Russians and buoyed by the self-interest of millionaires.

InspirationUnavailable · 26/02/2019 10:23

I’m torn between revoke and leaving within a CU/the SM (or indeed a referendum with those as the two options).

My heart sinks when I think about how little regard people in Westminster (and many people in England - both leavers and remainers) have for the GFA that the border in Ireland didn’t even come up as a concern in the referendum. The EU aren’t being hostile by rejecting May’s deals that undermine it. We’re the ones that put a big middle finger up to them by voting to leave - of course their allegiance is going to lie in protecting the interests of a member state. The fault in the inability to overcome the border issue does not lie with the EU, but with BOTH the leave and remain campaigns for not considering the issue earlier. Maybe it they had we wouldn’t be in this mess.

There’s a risk of short term unrest if the UK revokes article 50, but the potential consequences of a no deal brexit for NI are far, far worse.

BorisBogtrotter · 26/02/2019 10:25

"Which petition are you referring to?"

Ther have been several, with significantly more signatures.

Also more people marched in London and around the country for a people's vote than have signed those petitions.

Oh and 4 million signed one back in 2016

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/28/petition-for-second-eu-referendum-hits-4-million-as-hundreds-att/

Do keep up.

Clavinova · 26/02/2019 10:25

Remainers are marching, leavers are threatening riots

A small minority of idiots might be threatening violence - but the Remainers are the emotional ones.

BorisBogtrotter · 26/02/2019 10:26

I don't think taking part in the democratic process is emotional.

Leavers campaigned for 41 years to get what they wanted and you didn't call them that.

Can you find a thing to copy and paste that proves your point that leavers are less emotional?

Clavinova · 26/02/2019 10:33

BorisBogtrotter

You didn't read the bottom of your link - I did Wink

However, it emerged on Sunday that parliamentary authorities had removed around 77,000 allegedly fake signatures from the petition - with hackers taking responsibility for adding thousands of counterfeit names

Signatories were recorded in places as far flung as North Korea, the Falklands, Bermuda, China and Venezuela, and there have been suggestions computer coders may have used special scripts to generate fake signatures automatically.

Also:
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/26/concern-as-online-call-for-second-brexit-vote-gains-more-than-39/

Do keep up - I don't know why you keep saying that Grin

Anyway - I have to go out now.

BorisBogtrotter · 26/02/2019 10:36

"Signatories were recorded in places as far flung as North Korea, the Falklands, Bermuda, China and Venezuela, and there have been suggestions computer coders may have used special scripts to generate fake signatures automatically."

Or the more likely thing that peope were using VPNs.

Even if 77,000 were removed, even if half were fake, it makes more people singed it than signed the leave petitions.

More people marched than signed the leave petitions.

Do keep up.

You always seem to have to go out straight after we engage.

Clavinova · 26/02/2019 10:41

You always seem to have to go out straight after we engage.

Yes - lucky me - it's sunny today. Grin

I've already made my point - no need to go round the houses on this one.

Clavinova · 26/02/2019 10:46

Or perhaps it's still night-time where you live? Grin

Namechangedforgoodreason · 26/02/2019 10:48

Extend. Negotiation. Stay in SM and CU. Offer PV potentially during this time on the deal. Then leave

Staunch remainer. Will be marching however stupid is as stupid does. We should water down and leave....but a leave light

QuizzlyBear · 26/02/2019 10:48

Revoke - and those I know who voted Leave now want to Remain!

BorisBogtrotter · 26/02/2019 10:50

As I said, your point was irrelevant, VPN use can be used to explain much of it, or it could be ex pats denied a vote.

However, it does show more people signed a remain petition than signed a leave one, which makes your initial point about remainers getting emotional and marching whilst leavers sign petitions irrelevant.

Do keep up.

But I suppose you can't copy and paste reasoned arguments of your own.

DioneTheDiabolist · 26/02/2019 10:51

Revoke.
Deal with any civil unrest.
Put David Cameron in stocks. Send him on a nation wide Mea Culpa tour to every town in the UK with a population of more than 100,000 people.
Teach people about our politics and the EU.

Get on with life.

anothernamereally · 26/02/2019 11:10

Revoke - I can't believe that it's going ahead with such a tiny minority - as a country we really do have egg on our face and such damage has already been done. In my lifetime we have always been part of the eu and I feel I'm having my identity stripped, my community and options and those of my children are being massively diminished against my will.

Clavinova · 26/02/2019 11:11

BorisBogtrotter

What are you on about BorisBogtrotter?

You've linked to a petition dated June 2016 with less than 4m signatures - over 17m people put a cross on a piece of paper to leave the EU in June 2016 - do keep up.

The petitions I linked to are 2019 petitions.

I have concluded that you must be a bot...did you realise that the word robot is hidden in your name?

Must go now...

SpringForEver · 26/02/2019 11:18

This is AIBU, not politics, please post there instead.

Agree. I find this worrying enough without having it shoved at me in a non Brexit forum when there is a place for it on here already.

BorisBogtrotter · 26/02/2019 11:21

You've linked to a petition dated June 2016 with less than 4m signatures

"Remainers are planning another emotional "People's Vote March^ in London, whilst 357,965 Leavers have sat quietly in their armchairs signing a Petition."

So there were more singatories for a remain petition than for the leave one you linked to.

I've come to the conclusion you're not very bright as you can't make a coherent argument.

BorisBogtrotter · 26/02/2019 11:23

BTW leave voters have had their protests too.

They were badly attended though so you tend not to hear about them.

Pedallleur · 26/02/2019 11:26

revoke. let the ERG/Rees-Mogg/Boris show us their plan(s) not spout rhetoric and vague nonesense about NHS money. It's madness (imo) to be leaving a huge trading block in which the UK had the best deal. Honda/Ford/Airbus have warned what might happen and lots of small companies have expressed their fears. To a lot of leavers it seems to be a fear of foreigners/immigrants that made them vote leave.

Fortheloveofscience · 26/02/2019 11:33

Revoke. There’ll be civil unrest, but it’ll pass. The WA would give us a calmer April/May/June, but then we’d be screwed for the foreseeable future.