32 days to go until Brexit , which would you prefer ? No deal , the WA or revoke ? Which is best for the majority of the population of the UK ?

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This is a genuine question , you can give an explanation or not for your choice, entirely up to you

My choice would be revoke, if I was considering the rest of the UK population. This does not mean that the UK can never leave the EU, but that those in charge would have to come up with solutions that were not detrimental to the majority of the population.

You can go out Clav, your copying and pasting is boring.

All car companies are having difficulties, its well known.

You are scrambling around to justify that Honda would be leaving anyway.

They wouldn't.

Anything other than No Deal I would settle for now

Of the units produced in the UK 40% of these went to the EU and 55% to North America

5% remained in the UK, so great eh

Your UK figures are totally wrong - the UK is in the EU!!

For the moment.

"Your UK figures are totally wrong - the UK is in the EU!! "

That figure doesn't include the UK as we don't export cars to the UK.

About 90% of what is made at Swindon goes to export.

Over 52,000 Hondas were sold in the UK 2018.

With that, I am going out.

52,000 Hondas were sold in the UK 2018.#

Doesn't mean they were all made at Swindon.

90% of what is made at Swindon is exported.

40% of what is made at Swindon is exported to the EU.

You are confusing total sales with products made at Swindon.

Proves my point that you don't actually analyse what you copy and paste.

Gth1234
No deal is best

Really? In what way? Please explain.

Swindon was the only place in the world that made the 5 door civic btw., it even exported to Japan. The 55% figure to North America is incorrect, it was over 50% to areas other than the EU.

I haven't got time to check your figures but...

5% remained in the UK, so great eh
Are you amending that to 10%?

Proves my point that you don't actually analyse what you copy and paste

If Swindon exports 55% to North America and Donald Trump is threatening 25% tariffs on European auto imports, why stay in Europe as I said?

Honda are citing global pressures - a 40% drop in profits is pretty major.

Cross post.

Too late - I have to go...

Not amending anything, over 50% went to world markets other than the EU whilst 40% was exported to the EU.

Funny that you think Trump's tariffs are the major issue here and not the tariff and non tariff barriers that will massively effect the profitability of Honda if we don't have frictionless access to the EU, as they have repeatedly said for 3 years.

the 40% fall in profits, was for a quarter, not annual. " Profit tumbled 40 percent at Honda Motor Co. in the most recent quarter"

Again proving my point about you not reading or analysing what you copy and paste.

Oh and "Global pressures" is PR spin, its cause of Breixt, as you said Honda's biggest EU market is the UK, and it won't want falling sales there because people boycott them will it?

After the Leave vote when leavers were jubilantly celebrating the newly acquired ability to send them all home, Honda took their advice and has withdrawn funding to Swindon between then and now. They don't have to be here, they don't want to be here and what sane person would argue, after the simmering xenophobia unleashed by Leave, that they should be here? Won't be the last. Obviously they haven't made a statement saying 'UK peopled by racists who have thrown their jobs away simply because we're not Brits' but the temptation must be strong. Fortunately, the Japanese are not as ill-ma nered as we are.

Nothing I have read suggests to me that leaving with no deal is in any way a good idea - so definitely not that.

I'm a remainer and haven't changed my mind, so my preference is to revoke the whole thing and try not to think about how many millions of pounds have been wasted on getting us this far in the car crash.

However, I think there needs to be serious and considered acknowledgement of why people voted to leave. So many of them were really hacked off and unhappy with the way their lives were in the UK and the EU was a convenient place to lay blame. I have never questioned my politics more than I have done in the last two years and I am so disappointed by what I see happening to the UK and the lives of the people in it. We have to change somehow!!!!!!

At the time of the referendum I hadn't heard a single argument which made me think leaving was a good idea. I voted to remain, along with the majority of people I knew. I was based on the outskirts of London in the SE at the time.

Since the referendum, the government have completely ballsed the whole negotiation process up. I have zero faith in TM as a leader, and very little faith in the Conservatives or Labour party as a result of their in-fighting, childish behaviour and lack of structure.

The process of leaving is complicated, this should have been clear from the outset. Triggering Article 50 and giving herself a ridiculous timeline for doing something so complicated with no clue at all was one of the first red flags for me in terms of how TM's role was going to play out. She is a disgrace and an embarrassment for our country.

Although I am no longer enamoured with the EU and can see some benefits to leaving, I have zero confidence that this is possible without ruining our economy at least for the next few generations. Being 32 at the moment with plans to start a family in the next couple of years, this directly affects me and my kids.

Because of this, selfishly I suppose, I would revoke. I cannot see another way of making it work for the country.

I seriously don't understand the denial about Swindon.

Its simple.

Significant investment was needed for the next gen car.

Honda can't guarentee that they will be able to produce the next gen car at Swindon using current JIT systems or incurring higher costs.

They chose not to invest in Swindon, but to build up in Japan, despite the fact that the tariff on cars to the EU does not become 0 till 2027, despite that they have huge sunk costs of leaving Swindon.

I wonder what the issue was?

No idea Boris, maybe something upset them?

Revoke revoke. Not seen one single argument why it’s a good idea. I know a few who have voted leave and it’s either to control our borders (it won’t) sovereignty (won’t put a roof over our heads) and because the EU are dictators (as apposed to leavers club Boris and Rhys Mogg who think Mumbai workers rights are generous)

Today at work I was told
Germany will want a trade deal with the UK
when I reminded that person that Germany was staying in the EU so would not be doing any trade deals
their rainbow unicorn crash landed

we need to eat more British food
Look at the salad you just bought from Waitrose, how much was grown in the UK

the lack of thinking it through
is genuinely shocking

If the UK did revoke, do you think the other euro country's will except to be reimbursed for all the money and time spent so far on negotiations.
I'd really love to see it revoked like many remainders.

If the UK did revoke, do you think the other euro country's will except to be reimbursed for all the money and time spent so far on negotiations.
Nope
same as in any other failed tender / quote costs

Saw the EU get to vote, on if they extend

But they need this question answered first ..
Extend to do what?

Or the 27 won't agree.

If it looks like it is going to be no deal, then I imagine the EU would allow a short extension for the UK and themselves to get their shit together,( although other EU countries have been planning for a no deal some time) plus there isn't enough time left to sort out all the legislation and law stuff, that would require a couple of months at the very least.

But don't be thinking that no deal means the end of Brexit, it would simply be the beginning of years and years of negotiations with the rest of the world and the EU, trying to replace what we had lost and doing so from a far weaker negotiating stance. It will be the UK versus the rest of the world, nearly all of whom are in trade blocs and affiliations, you know like we are, because it makes sense

28 days to go.

It will be the UK versus the rest of the world nearly all of whom are in trade blocs and affiliations, you know like we are, because it makes sense.

You are being too dramatic.
Another encouraging development on Wednesday:

www.foxnews.com/world/britain-reaches-wto-deal-on-govt-contracts-post-brexit

GENEVA–Britain struck a trade deal Wednesday for a post-Brexit world, obtaining approval from other World Trade Organization members to stay part of a competitive market for lucrative government contracts after the country leaves the European Union

The agreement allows Britain to retain its place among the 47 WTO countries that are involved in the Government Procurement Agreement. The EU's 28 member nations belong as a single entity, so the bidding agreement's participating countries signed off on allowing Britain to join as an independent party to the pact.

The arrangement ensures continuity of cross-border bidding for big-ticket government contracts, though military contracts are generally excluded.

A Geneva-based trade official said on condition of anonymity because he's not authorized to be named publicly said that the agreement was a relatively straightforward step but an important one in ensuring access to a combined market valued at over $1.7 trillion