32 days to go until Brexit , which would you prefer ? No deal , the WA or revoke ? Which is best for the majority of the population of the UK ?

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This is a genuine question , you can give an explanation or not for your choice, entirely up to you

My choice would be revoke, if I was considering the rest of the UK population. This does not mean that the UK can never leave the EU, but that those in charge would have to come up with solutions that were not detrimental to the majority of the population.

TalkinPeece

I don't deny that brexit is a monumental fuck up.
I never have.

What brexit has shown me is that I can confirm that politicians are shit, useless, self serving, spineless wankers every single one of them.

And that some people from both sides of the debate (if you can call it that) are absolute fucking idiots.

Revoke.

Still want to leave the EU. No going back now

REVOKE REVOKE REVOKE

In my mind a BeLeaver/Quitling/Brexiteer is not every Leave voter. It's those with some kind of weird zeal that is extremely un-British in the face of factual evidence that should give them cause for concern. They don't acknowledge that this is going to be more difficult than promised and assume anyone who isn't them is:
unpatriotic/left wing (LMFAO)/welcoming of sharia law /middle class/lives in London. It's odd.

Extend and sort an agreement if it can be sorted. My personal preference would be revoke though.

Some of my friends wanted to be with Norway, what they didn't realise is we get good and bad with that, with some of the fundamental things they voted against still happening. In addition, all three have to agree we can join, we can't just decide we should and therefore are.

“20:55 BerensteinBear

They are the forgotten.
This has gone on for years, generations in fact, whether the country has been doing well or otherwise.”

It has, and for generations before we became part of the EU. Their neglect has bugger all to do with Europe: most deprived areas have benefitted disproportionally from EU funded projects, which is why it’s so incredible that so many voted to leave. Unfortunately, in trying to kick the UK Government, they’ve hurt themselves more.

Revoke. The majority did not vote for no deal, spending billions on dealing with Brexit, and economic ruin. They were told we would be better off. Now we are being told "it wont be that bad", "weve survived worst", "where is that blitz spirit". They wouldn't have won with those slogans.

Brexiteers are doing mental gymnastics to 'prove' brexit not the cause of the laying waste to the automotive industry with all the lost jobs. Its so sad for the employees. I could go on. The damage is done but we can rebuild if we revoke.

Not odd Bellini, just recycled propaganda. They all say the same thing which makes one wonder where it comes from. Where could that be?

The majority did not vote for no deal
how do you know this? I remember the referendum as being yes or no to staying in the EU, I don't recall there being a deal or no deal option

As all options have the possibility of riots and disruption I'd go for the one I feel would do the least long term harm to the public and that is for me Revoke
However whatever scenario happens the main political parties have both caused themselves serious wounds which they seem to think is more important to pander to than the actual consequences for their constituents.

Revoke. I know quite a few people that voted leave and all of them have changed their minds because they didn't expect the realities of leaving/they wanted to stick their finger up at the establishment and voted to rebel.
I can only think of 2 people I know that voted leave and still would.

how do you know this? I remember the referendum as being yes or no to staying in the EU, I don't recall there being a deal or no deal option

Because the leave campaign was full of lies, and a lot of people who voted believed these. They did not think for a million years a no deal might happen and believed in the 'might' of the UK.

Brexiteers are doing mental gymnastics to 'prove' brexit not the cause of the laying waste to the automotive industry with all the lost jobs

I'm not an ardent Brexiteer by any means. I could have voted either way on the day - but I don't like being mislead.

Why would Honda stay in Europe?

Honda only managed 0.9% share of the European car market in 2018

And Nissan was named as the worst performing carmaker in Europe in 2018 with sales down 12.8 %.

www.best-selling-cars.com/europe/2018-full-year-europe-best-selling-car-manufacturers-and-brands/

Interesting:

Brexit polls: Remain has a ‘consistent’ 53-47 lead, but it’s based on non-voters showing up

inews.co.uk/news/brexit/brexit-polls-latest-john-curtice-remain-lead-leave-non-voters/

Revoke or delay with a plan to go for EEA/EFTA brexit.

The latter option was always available and would have been acceptable to the majority but for May’s early capitulation to the ERG headbangers. Most of whom are on record saying before the vote that there was never a plan to leave the single market. They’re being bribed by disaster capitalists or Russian money. It’ll come out in time.

Whilst Honda had a small part of the car market it still exported 40% of what was made at Swindon to the EU and relied on EU JIT supply chains. Honda made it clear that Swindon would not be economic to run without single market access, and as the decisions about where to invest for the next gen of civic and other cars needed to be made now, they have made the most risk averse decision ( in typical Japanese Style).

Its simple PR for denials from the company that it is not about Brexit.

Nissan? Brexit played a part in the decision but it won't have been the main factor as it was with Honda.

Revoke this madness. The reason those who want to leave fight against another referendum is that they now know the result is likely to be to remain. I correlate Brexit with buying a house. You really like the property and then the surveyor gives you his report. There is real structural damage. Do you want to go ahead with it? Or because you told the owners you wanted it you feel you must complete even if you regret it late.

"Why would Honda stay in Europe?"

Because 0.9% of the market still equated to 140,000 units sold.

Because they had significant levels of investment at Swindon which will be sunk costs. Because the average employee in Japan earns £39,000 where as the average at Swindon £30,000. Swindon was a profitable plant, albeit running under capacity.

There are many reasons, trying to down play Brexit as the decisive factor in the decision is laughable.

I'm sure you will find something to copy and paste though.

Revoke, revoke, revoke. And then for parliament to focus on tackling climate change and poverty.

Revoke. Riots seem to be brought up a lot by people I’ve spoken to. If there are riots, not ideal of course, but surely better to riot for a few days than proceed with a completely fucked up future that was built on a lie?? Riot away! I know it’s a very unpopular opinion, as we ought not to tar everyone with the same brush, but the only people I know of that voted leave, were old racists. I don’t give a shit what they want and if they’ll riot. Some people who riot, as we saw with the ones in 2011, have no connection to the cause itself, no opinion on it one way or another, but they take the opportunity to behave like wild animals. If there’s unrest there’s unrest, and people who will have participated will have done so either way, I believe. So let’s make the right decision and deal with the potential consequences. It seems ridiculous that anyone would say “let’s not make the only right decision available, in case people go nuts”.

Because 0.9% of the market still equated to 140,000 units sold

0.9% of the European car market includes the UK car market of course and the UK is Honda's biggest European market.

Honda are dong a stonking trade across the channel aren't they? Not.

Also, we know the market share for the whole of 2018 - but not the trend for 2019 - perhaps it's heading downwards?

In fact, Honda UK export some Honda Civics to the USA (increasingly so as they are unloved in Europe) and Donald Trump is threatening to whack a 25% tariff on European auto imports. Why stay in Europe for that when you can export to the USA from Japan?

europe.autonews.com/automakers/honda-profit-tumbles-40-incentives-foreign-exchange-rates-bite

01 Feb 2019:

TOKYO – Profit tumbled 40 percent at Honda Motor Co. in the most recent quarter on a deteriorating sales mix, rising incentives and foreign exchange losses

Operating profit dropped to 170.1 billion yen ($1.54 billion) in the fiscal third quarter ended Dec. 31, Honda said on Friday.

Net income plunged 71 percent to 168.2 billion yen ($1.53 billion) in the October-December period. Revenue advanced 0.4 percent to 3.97 trillion yen ($36.01 billion), as worldwide sales increased 4.8 percent to 1.41 million vehicles in the three-month period.

Results retreated on narrowing margins as customers rush away from the sedan segment where Honda is traditionally strong with the Civic and Accord sedans.

European sales dipped 1,000 units to 41,000 in the three months as regional operating profit dropped 49 percent to 1.31 billion yen ($11.9 million) from a year earlier

PS - I am going out again soon.

"0.9% of the European car market includes the UK car market of course and the UK is Honda's biggest European market."

Of the units produced in the UK 40% of these went to the EU and 55% to North America.

5% remained in the UK, so great eh.

Honda also builds cars in the US.

This is really a decision about investment on the next gen civic, if we were remaining in the EU Swindon would have remained open.