32 days to go until Brexit , which would you prefer ? No deal , the WA or revoke ? Which is best for the majority of the population of the UK ?

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This is a genuine question , you can give an explanation or not for your choice, entirely up to you

My choice would be revoke, if I was considering the rest of the UK population. This does not mean that the UK can never leave the EU, but that those in charge would have to come up with solutions that were not detrimental to the majority of the population.

You guys are asking for logic, rationale, actions & consequences. Which is irrelevant to DS Remember that Brexit was an emotional vote.

I know there are some people who talk with a kind of logic about UK's future trade strategy. Including complicated calculations. Such as Minford. I don't think most Brexiter voters are like that, though.

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Every single sector of the country will get worse if Brexit goes ahead in any version.”

Confirmed by official documents released just this evening. Best case (with deal) assesses the economy will be on average 6% smaller in 5 years than it would have been with the status quo. Worst case (no deal) the national average increases on to 9% smaller. Some areas will be affected more severely than others with NI predicted to average 9.5% less growth and the North East of England 10.5%.
Reported on PM today, quoting government’s own assessments.

The brexit that people voted for can't be delivered it was never going to be possible. A no deal brexit it completely unacceptable so I think we should have another referendum. Either leave under the terms of the deal on offer or remain.

Revoke - this is a total mess and there's no way anything will get sorted, whether they have 32 days or 32 years.

I wonder if the No Dealers have read today's official report on the impact of No Deal on the nation? It does make for a very sobering read

To those posters saying Remain and deal with the social inequalities, housing issues etc which was behind some Leave votes (ie. A vote for change) we surely all know how unlikely that would be.
Once remain wins, those Leavers will be as forgotten about as before.

Berenstein
If Brexit happens, there will be no money to sort out their issues (which are very, very real)

They are the forgotten.
This has gone on for years, generations in fact, whether the country has been doing well or otherwise.

Once remain wins, those Leavers will be as forgotten about as before.

Then those Leavers need to get active, get yourself elected into a political role, write to your MP, make a nuisance of yourself so that you can't be forgotten. The Leavers I know are completely apathetic - it's always someone else who needs to sort things out for them.

Berenstein
This has gone on for years, generations in fact, whether the country has been doing well or otherwise.
You are utterly correct.
But Brexit will make their situation worse not better.

Have a look at Electoral reform - a proper proportional system where the vote of every person counted and there are more than two parties and thus politicians have to be more attentive to electors rather than party whips - is the best chance at dealing with the true issues

The remainers I know are somewhat smug and rather unpleasant. Plastic left wingers with their mock concern for the poor.

Revoke continuing along this path is madness we are speeding along a bumpy twisty road with a blind man at the wheel REVOKE REVOKE REVOKE!

The remainers I know are somewhat smug and rather unpleasant. Plastic left wingers with their mock concern for the poor.
That is quite a generalisation
and will not solve the real issues

Why do "the forgotten" choose to believe in Boris Johnson, Rees Mogg, Gove, Farage, Nigel Lawson, Lamont, Tim Martin, Dyson, Kate Hoey, Gisela Stewart, Julia Hartley Brewer - as their leaders with their best interests at heart?

Makes no sense.

@BerensteinBear - The remainers I know are somewhat smug and rather unpleasant. Plastic left wingers with their mock concern for the poor.

So that justifies completely screwing up your entire country and the economies of your neighbours? The expression cutting off your nose to spite your face springs to mind.

TalkinPeece
That is quite a generalisation
and will not solve the real issues

This should be posted everytime we get to the "leavers are racist" part of the threads.

boney
Which as you know I do not tend to say.
Because the reasons why people voted leave are many and complicated.
Sadly Brexit will solve none of them.
Brexit will make many of them much worsee
and Brexit will destroy the wealth and reputation of the UK

Once remain wins, those Leavers will be as forgotten about as before

Its completely illogical that you you think that any govt will do something about the inequalities in the country if we brexit, why would they?
Leave or remain, the deed has been done, so, as you say, they'll be ignored.

If the poor want change, then they need to get out and vote in GE's.... i.e. see what the Tories have done for pensioners.

Voting to make the UK poorer is not a great idea, so the Govt should now revoke.

There are plenty of leave voters who really despise the poor, it's not exclusively a remain thing.

TalkinPeece

I am saying that it should be posted everytime generalisations occur, not that you are posting them.

It may help the thread get through the usual BS, name calling and people whining that others are getting pissed off at the name calling.

Boneyback
I am happy to avoid name calling at people who discuss facts and evience
but BeLeavers who expect me to have faith that it will be OK
can sod right off

TalkinPeece

So if you are going to call people beleavers, can they go back to calling you a remoaner?

Does it really further the debate or just make us all look like big kids that can't discuss a point?

Its nothing more that a Pyrrhic victory.

Revoke.

There was never a plan for Brexit, we're not there now, and the one we've got isn't acceptable even to those who wanted to leave. There is no possibility of a trade deal with the EU better than the one we have with membership. We also won't get better trade deals with anyone else than those we have now, partly because of the 'most favoured nation' clauses in many EU agreements, partly because we alone don't have the negotiation weight of a 26-nation bloc. We are a nation that survives on trade: we do not produce enough food to feed our own, nor do we have much in the way of other natural resources. Crippling ourselves like this is madness. Removing ourselves from allies is madness.

Boneyback
Its nothing more that a Pyrrhic victory.
Brexit defined.
You won but we all lost.

Sorry, 27-nation bloc. A club of 27 nations which is not friendly to us sitting right across the Channel and Irish sea makes me very uneasy.

Leave as quickly as we can.