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32 days to go until Brexit , which would you prefer ? No deal , the WA or revoke ? Which is best for the majority of the population of the UK ?

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frumpety · 25/02/2019 20:18

This is a genuine question , you can give an explanation or not for your choice, entirely up to you Smile

My choice would be revoke, if I was considering the rest of the UK population. This does not mean that the UK can never leave the EU, but that those in charge would have to come up with solutions that were not detrimental to the majority of the population.

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Sheelala · 26/02/2019 15:09

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Sheelala · 26/02/2019 15:11

You were the one who introduced intelligence to the debate btw, but as usual by "intelligence" what you actually meant was "agrees with me". Patronising.

TalkinPeece · 26/02/2019 15:11

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Namechangedforgoodreason · 26/02/2019 15:12

I didn't discuss intelligence and race. I pointed out ...again that 50% of the population is more intelligent than the other 50%

TalkinPeece · 26/02/2019 15:15

Namechanged
I pointed out ...again that 50% of the population is more intelligent than the other 50%
Ah, but Michael we've had enough of experts Gove
categorically assured teachers that he wanted all schools to be above average Grin

DontMakeMeShushYou · 26/02/2019 15:15

Themoomoo

so are all labour voters anti semites?

This has already been addressed on this thread if you care to look back a little way.

They are not all anti-semites, any more than all leave voters are racist. However, if they don't call out anti-semitism when it occurs, they legitimise those with anti-semitic views and effectively support them.

mummmy2017 · 26/02/2019 15:17

So I votes to leave and according to the views expressed I am. Racist.
My nextdoor neighbour is from Romania, I just looked after their children, took in a parcel, and took the mum to the shops, as the car is broken
I was sat in the garden with my best friend who is Jamaican.
My daughter's best friend was round here and stayed over , they have come from a wartorn home country.
The lad we know who works at a takeaway gets me too help him do his tax returns and calls me his aunty...
Now that explain to me .. racist?

Sheelala · 26/02/2019 15:18

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TalkinPeece · 26/02/2019 15:19

mummmy
You are not a racist
but many more racists voted leave than remain.
So statistically there is a link.

Leave supporters should be overjoyed that they will get what they voted for in a few weeks
because they have always assured us they knew what they wanted Grin

themoomoo · 26/02/2019 15:20

don't makemeshushyou The vast majority of leavers would call out racism yet many remainers are locked into thinking all leavers are either racists or somehow support racists?
As a leaver with no racist views how should I address this? take out a weekly advert in the local newspaper stating I condemn racism?

BorisBogtrotter · 26/02/2019 15:21

Except Mummy has spouted things that are xenophobic before, whilst also incorrectly attributing social problems to immigration.

"I'm not racist but" type.

BorisBogtrotter · 26/02/2019 15:22

"The vast majority of leavers would call out racism "

Really?

Yet they were happy to back a campaign that was racist and xenophobic both explicitly and implicitly?

themoomoo · 26/02/2019 15:22

A lot of social problems are due to immigration in many areas. having concerns about that doesn't make one a racist

Namechangedforgoodreason · 26/02/2019 15:23

Still no source cited then. OK

BorisBogtrotter · 26/02/2019 15:23

"A lot of social problems are due to immigration in many areas"

No they really aren't.

Even in Boston, the Town Council's own research into antio social behavior finds that there has been no increase in it following increased immigration.

You might find an example of EU immigration and anti social behaviour in some small isolated areas, but not as a trend in general.

themoomoo · 26/02/2019 15:24

boris it's very difficult to engage with somebody so extremely narrow indeed as yourself so I'm ignoring you from now on.
i will just say one final comment to you that you really need to try to wrap your head around the fact that just because some people hold a different view to you it doesn't make them a xenophobe, racist or 9 ironically) a bigot

Sheelala · 26/02/2019 15:26

BorisBogtrotter

Apart from you feeling morally superior, what actual difference does it make if they are racist (according to your definition) ? Should the vote be taken off such people ?

DontMakeMeShushYou · 26/02/2019 15:26

So I votes to leave and according to the views expressed I am. Racist.

Oh, dear Lord!

Not necessarily but leavers as a whole are not doing enough to tackle the racist views some of their fellow leave voters hold. Not enough prominent or grass-roots leave voters are publicly denouncing the racist element amongst their fellow supporters. By standing by and doing nothing, they are legitimising the racism and so they all get tarred with the same brush.

BorisBogtrotter · 26/02/2019 15:28

I'm not narrow.

I just won't let you get away with spouting platitudes that have no backing in any facts.

The reason people use these is to give their views the guise of respectability.

Not because they are actually true.

And if you do believe they are true, well then your prejudices are getting in the way of facts.

BlueWonder · 26/02/2019 15:29

Revoke then referendum based on fact. Allow everyone 16+ a vote.

BorisBogtrotter · 26/02/2019 15:30

" Should the vote be taken off such people ?"

Nope, straw man.

Its fine to criticise someone's views, and their reasoning for their vote even to suggest that the way they voted was incorrect or for prejudicial reasons is fine.

Don't you like freedom of speech? Cause you know it isn't the freedom to say what you want without critique.

Namechangedforgoodreason · 26/02/2019 15:32

But Boris don't you know it's fact that whites are more intelligent than blacks

I really wouldn't bother arguing with the non racist poster

BorisBogtrotter · 26/02/2019 15:34

Ah I hadn't connected the two.

But you should argue with racists and xenophobes.

It usually shows them up for what they are in the end.

Namechangedforgoodreason · 26/02/2019 15:36

Oh I agree but once outed it's roundabout time with reducing returns

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