To wonder why Sajid Jarvis was so quick to remove Shamima Begum’s British nationality

[MrsSchadenfreude]

But has done nothing about removing Asma Assad’s? Asma Assad is a dual British-Syrian National, so why not deprive her (and her kids) of British nationality? I can’t quite believe that the government hasn’ Done this. Why on Earth not?

I hope this doesn’t descend into stupid ‘whose side are you on?’ nonsense. Whether the stupid attacks on Bertrand or the sneers at posters who are willing to say there’s a good argument for stripping Ms Begum of her British citizenship.

Enjoying the way you feel you have to call on the opinion of a man to validate yours, Imissgmichael.

Maybe I was being too charitable in attributing your misrepresentation of facts that we can all see for ourselves to being right wing. Maybe it was deliberate on your part, or maybe it was down to a lack of basic grown-up analytical skills. It's difficult to think of any other explanation.

“We don’t need people like SB in the UK and my son of immigrants dual citizen DH agrees with me.”

We don’t need them. But when they are our problem, we hav to deal with them.

We don’t need people like SB in the UK

So, you think it's acceptable to dump her on a country who has had no connection with her whatsoever?

We don’t need them. But when they are our problem, we hav to deal with them.

That’s really the heart of the issue. Does the UK have a responsibility because SB was ‘ordinarily resident’ here, or should the UK have the option - because she is, apparently, of dual nationality - to say “you have forsaken your British citizenship, now rely on your Bangladeshi citizenship”?

In many cases I suspect the answer would be the latter. But SB was a child when she joined the world’s most dangerous ideology, and now has a child. That’s what makes this complicated, morally at least.

The law on citizenship is as it is because nation states have agreed not to leave a vacuum. The rest is ‘soft edged’ judgement.

Saturday I’m sorry you don’t like men but you know I’m married to one so I tend to think his opinions count. He has every right to comment on stripping someone of uk citizenship if they have dual citizenship. However as you seem to have a problem with women in equal relationships with men guess what my sister in law who also has dual citizenship and is single thinks that SB should br stripped of UK citizenship. Is that ok with you.

Would they be quite so happy if she was being dumped onto their own other country when that country had had nothing to do with her before?

“Saturday I’m sorry you don’t like men”

Oh, don’t be silly!

Would they be quite so happy if she was being dumped onto their own other country when that country had had nothing to do with her before?

That again is the issue. If she has Bangladeshi citizenship why shouldn’ Bangladesh live up to its nationality policy?

Does it really need saying again? She is the UK's problem. U.K. born, U.K. bred and only UK.

It is immoral to dump her onto another country who have had nothing to do with her at all.

BertrandRussel perhaps you should have some sympathy with the victims of terrorism. I remember your posts about the bridge attack. You hardly covered your self in glory.

The crimes were commited in Syria. I hope they do not let her leave before investigation. Oh and for gods sake get that child of her. She holds it like it’s an inanimate object. Poor kid.

Does anyone know definitively whether she has Bangladeshi citizenship? Because much of this debate is a bit pointless I otherwise....

Yep i agree with soup

She is the uks problem

I think its a bit...grubby ....saying anything else actually

All this 'palming off ' and passing the parcel

Nah Soup. She wasn’t British by birth.

So, let's imagine she has dual U.K./Bangladesh citizenship and was raised in Bangladesh. How happy would you be if Bangladesh stripped her of her citizenship and dumped her on the U.K.?

She wasn’t British by birth.

What was she then given she has never had Bangladeshi citizenship?

Oh Jesus, yet again...we cannot be certain because unless any poster wants to say they’re an expert, we have to go on expert comment elsewhere. And what I’ve read in respectable media is that she is automatically a Bangladeshi citizen.

It is not about where you live and were brought up - unless you argue from the moral or practical standpoint. Nothing wrong with either of those, but that’s not the point.

Soup she was born of a mother that was a Bangladeshi citizen. Mum didn’t have uk citizenship at that point.

@imissgmichael
Nah Soup. She wasn’t British by birth.
What was she then ?
Born in the UK to Naturalised British parents .....

Schooled in the UK state system ....

It is not about where you live and were brought up - unless you argue from the moral or practical standpoint. Nothing wrong with either of those, but that’s not the point.

It absolutely is the point that it is fucking disgraceful to dump a problem person on another country who has had nothing to do with creating that problem.

Assad hasn’t had her citizenship removed for exactly the same reason Begum didn’t have hers removed until the 19th of Feb. Because it’s highly unlikely she is going to come here. Begum was unlikely to return when there was a Caliphate for her to live in and Assad is unlikely to return while the Assad family still controls part of Syria. The reasoning is exactly the same

Also, she has not expressed a desire to attack British civilians or advocated organisations who do.

She is the biggest threat to the Syrian people, she (as well as anybody else with a modicum of sense) would realise that if she entered the UK she would immediately be arrested and tried for war crimes. So she’s not going to come here.

If the Syrian Assad regime collapsed tomorrow and she needed to flee the country as Shamima does, then it may be an issue. But arguably we would prefer her to come here if that happened, because we would pass her on to the international courts and strip her assets.

In reality she would be much more likely to flee to Russia or a welcoming gulf state.

But even if she did come here, the threat just isn’t comparable. She’s not an Islamic extremist aligned to a group who desire to destroy the west who advocates for the murder of western civilians.

“So, let's imagine she has dual U.K./Bangladesh citizenship and was raised in Bangladesh. How happy would you be if Bangladesh stripped her of her citizenship and dumped her on the U.K.”

Not relevant because it hasn’t happened.

Soup she was born of a mother that was a Bangladeshi citizen

And? She was born in the U.K. Which is what I said.

Mum didn’t have uk citizenship at that point

From what ive read she didnt need to

Not relevant because it hasn’t happened.

You do understand what the word "imagine" means don't you?

It is entirely relevant because th scenario is exactly the same, just flipped round.

Answer the question.