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AIBU to ask what will actually happen on 29th March... Will we have John Snow narrating a countdown to armegedon? ?

224 replies

drivinmecrazy · 21/02/2019 23:01

Genuine question. How do you think the media will cover it?
Will it be a countdown and then lights out?
Will it be programming as normal?
Will radio be playing poignant tunes?
I'm personally hoping the likes of the Mash Report and Last Leg will be on air to see me through

OP posts:
doIreallyneedto · 22/02/2019 14:54

@JenniferJareau - I am comparing it to the bug as there was huge speculation and a sense of WTF will happen with people expecting all sorts but eff all happened at midnight.

The only people expecting the sky to fall in for Y2K were ill-informed, melodramatic, and presumably daily mail, or equivalent, readers.

Any one who made any effort at all to understand the problem was aware that there was a concerted effort being made to minimise the potential impact. While there was always the possibility of some issues occurring, the amount of work put into it ensured they would be relatively minor.

Actually, I'm seeing a parallel with Brexit now. There are plenty of ill-informed people who don't understand the potential impact of a no-deal Brexit and are predicting the land of milk and honey based on nothing more than wishes.

Clavinova · 22/02/2019 14:56

OR the Bank of England claiming costs of brexit based on current economic data

Pretty sure the Bank of England made all sorts of predictions on the eve of the referendum...

BorisBogtrotter · 22/02/2019 14:59

There is a difference between forecasts and using current data.

But you really do lack any critical thinking skills.

The BOE did however predict an economic slowdown and increased inflation.

Now both happened, but maybe not to the extent that it was predicted.

Could that have been down to the BOE intervention to stop these things happening I wonder?

I wonder what material helped them make the decisions which so helped the economy after the leave vote?

Clavinova · 22/02/2019 15:00

Which one are you going to believe?

I had no interest in reading Briefings for Brexit - or any intention of using any quotes from it - as I have explained already!

I really am going out now.

longwayoff · 22/02/2019 15:01

I reckon you and me on baguettes, spaceship, batting away a pork pie barrage fuelled by leftovers from brexiters celebrating at buffets d'Anglais - brown ale, sausage rolls, crisps and Warburton sandwiches. They'll be desperate for a tasty foreign snack. Grin

BorisBogtrotter · 22/02/2019 15:03

So you plucked a quote from thin air in order to demonstrate that anyone can use numbers to make a point?

Yet you didn't look at the sources of the figures?

Gosh, your critical thinking isn't as good as your copying and pasting.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 22/02/2019 15:05

Hmm We were pretty much all EU citizens at the last march.

RabbityMcRabbit · 22/02/2019 15:11

Similar to what happened when 1999 became 2000 ie a big fat nothing

StealthPolarBear · 22/02/2019 15:14

Wow how insightful. No one has mentioned the millennium yet.

twofingerstoEverything · 22/02/2019 15:17

Similar to what happened when 1999 became 2000 ie a big fat nothing
Jesus wept.

doIreallyneedto · 22/02/2019 15:18

@StealthPolarBear - Wow how insightful. No one has mentioned the millennium yet.

It's been mentioned multiple times.

At least the good thing about mentioning the millennium bug is that it identifies those who are completely ill-informed so you know whose posts you can safely ignore.

Clavinova · 22/02/2019 15:19

BorisBogtrotter

I literally have 2 minutes to spare...

So you plucked a quote from thin air in order to demonstrate that anyone can use numbers to make a point?

No - I plucked a figure of £80 billion out of thin air that was an identical amount to the previous poster's £80 billion to make a point.

Yet you didn't look at the sources of the figures?

No - and I certainly couldn't look at the source of the other £80 billion as no one bothered to link!

twofingerstoEverything · 22/02/2019 15:20

I bet Rabbity was one of those people who conducted a thorough investigation into both sides of the argument before sticking her cross in a box. All the signs of critical thinking are there...

BorisBogtrotter · 22/02/2019 15:24

"I plucked a figure of £80 billion out of thin air that was an identical amount to the previous poster's £80 billion to make a point."

But it doesn't make a point, because you didn't initially question where the first figures came from.

You've essentially attempted to use current costs based on current data against possible future benefits based on forecasts and say that they are the same thing cause the number is the same.

They are utterly different, assess different things, and are achieved in different ways.

As I said, it shows the level of your critical thinking.

Clavinova · 22/02/2019 15:31

BorisBogtrotter

Do you work for the EU BorisBogtrotter?

Perhaps you've spent the last 3 years scrutinizing the curve of a paperclip - or something equally pointless. Wink

(Nb - I've had to send my friends a text to say I'm going to be 10 mins late.)

BorisBogtrotter · 22/02/2019 15:34

Poor attempt at an ad hominem attack, along with a poor understanding of what the EU does.

Are you going to copy and paste a bendy banana story at me?

BTW the quality of your points really does make it a possibility that you work for Aaron Banks and vote leave.

toomuchtooold · 22/02/2019 15:57

Does anyone else feel so apologetic to the members of the EU?

The local paper where I live phoned up British citizens the day after the referendum to ask what we thought of the result. Sorry to say I disowned most of you, I was like "I'm Scottish, we voted in, we love the EU, blame the English" (and Welsh but the majority of German people I know are unaware of the existence of Wales so I didn't want to muddy the waters Grin)

BerensteinBear · 22/02/2019 16:03

We're doomed! Doomed I tell ye!

(courtesy of Pvt Fraser, Dad's Army.)

BorisBogtrotter · 22/02/2019 16:05

Reductio ad absurdum.

BerensteinBear · 22/02/2019 16:13

From the sublime to the ridiculous.

BackforGood · 22/02/2019 16:44

When someone uses the millennium bug example, it shows how thick a major part of the population are.
Nice Hmm
Oh my god, I had assumed the Y2K posters must be bots as I didn’t think real people posting on MN could be quite so incredibly, unbelievably dense. How many times has it been explained now??

Some posters on here are just so rude. Before this thread, I've never seen an explanation - and i'm on MN a lot. Insulting people is hardly likely to encourage people to engage and to understand things, is it ? Maybe partly why we are in this mess in the first place.

Though I am inclined to agree with this I genuinely believe that a huge part of the population are too ignorant of the wider picture and therefore should not have had a say, in such a monumental decision.

As a orevious poster said the millennium bug was avoid because of planning, hard work and robust plans
Do you seriously think that there haven't been teams of people working for the last two years, to do what they can to mitigate difficulties that will arise on 29th March ???

I'm incredibly angry about Brexit. I'm angry that David Cameron never took it seriously, and never took the time to get actual facts explained to people. He didn't realise for a minute that people would actually vote to leave and did little to counter it. I'm angry many that people voted based on lies, and a whole lot more voted through complete ignorance.

twofingerstoEverything · 22/02/2019 16:51

Do you seriously think that there haven't been teams of people working for the last two years, to do what they can to mitigate difficulties that will arise on 29th March ???
The problem with that argument is that engineers working on the Milennium Bug knew what the problem was. How do you plan to mitigate difficulties when you don't know the terms on which we will leave and what needs 'mitigating' against? Or do you just assume the worst possible scenario and have contingency plans for other scenarios? No wonder companies are leaving. How can a business operate under such uncertainty?

doIreallyneedto · 22/02/2019 17:05

@BackforGood - Some posters on here are just so rude. Before this thread, I've never seen an explanation - and i'm on MN a lot.

There is a massive difference between not knowing something and spouting shite about something you know nothing about.

I would expect many people, particularly younger ones, not to have an understanding of the millennium bug, the potential implications and the mitigation measures put in place to deal with it. However, using it as an example when you (not you specifically) patently have no idea why there was not a problem in 2000, simply shows you are ill-informed and make spurious arguments without any data to back them up.

KennDodd · 22/02/2019 17:07

It also matters what the sources are, "Briefings for Brexit" with the author being the lead economist at Right wing think tank Policy exchange ( although he uses his Honorary associate links with Cambridge to attempt to add credibility here), claiming a potential £80bn using spurious predicted calculations OR the Bank of England claiming costs of brexit based on current economic data.

Which one are you going to believe?

Well they're going to believe the one that supports Brexit. Doesn't matter if the argument that supports Brexit was written by a circus clown based on what he read in his tea leafs that morning and the other is written by a bunch of Nobel prize winning economists. Project fear.

CaptainBrickbeard · 22/02/2019 17:11

The Brexit threads got plagued with a coordinated mass of one-off posters coming on with the same ‘haha, it’s the Milennium Bug again!’ nonsense and never returning to engage with all the thoughtful explanations of how disaster was averted in that instance by the years of dedicated, collaborative work coordinated by experts. Whereas with Brexit, disaster is being invited by the showboating, blustering incompetence of idiots. If the bots managed to actually convince real people, it’s very depressing.