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To be left broke and humiliated after an mlm

342 replies

Huniliated · 20/02/2019 19:39

I didn’t think I’d be rich but I am cringing at my Facebook ‘memories’ and pretty sure everyone was laughing at me behind my back.

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adulthumanwolf · 20/02/2019 21:21

Bravo for saying so OP: it's a horrible cutthroat fake industry.

EllenJanesthickerknickers · 20/02/2019 21:23

I used to quite like going to a Phoenix Trading greeting cards party back in the day. I guess they are an MLM as well?

Heyha · 20/02/2019 21:26

What a shame ☹️ used to a birthday ritual, going to the local bookshop to choose an Usborne

Wakk · 20/02/2019 21:30

Forever living?

MyShinyWhiteTeeth · 20/02/2019 21:42

I had a friend who was doing the aloe one and then she woke up. She lost a lot of money and friends because she was really pushy. A few years and apologies later she started up with the scentsy one.

She now donates raffle prizes that are easily identifiable as coming from her.

We are waiting for the next MLM to come along.

Mrsmadevans · 20/02/2019 21:44

I think that ppl almost get brainwashed by them.
OP don't feel bad, you know now and got out relatively unscathed . I know some ppl who have gone thousands into their own money .

Uptheapplesandpears · 20/02/2019 21:52

At least you're out of it now and you won't do it again. £300 is a lot of money, but you could've learned that llesson much more expensively. Put it behind you.

YouokHun · 20/02/2019 21:54

I am a very vocal anti-mlmer having seen them causes utter financial, emotional and social misery when I was walking for a mental health trust running a PND group, young mothers being a key target for MLM. Well done getting out of it, they don’t make it easy do they?

As others have mentioned, the Elle Beau blog is excellent and worth reading through the anti MLM coalition’s site www.mlmtruth.org and the excellent Botwatch.blog. The thread on MN is brilliant and the MLM parody site Timeless Vie is great. There is also the MLM Lies Exposed FB Page and #antimlmmovement on Twitter. I mention these because reading through them is cathartic when you’ve left. If ever you want to share your story we are happy to publish it because the more stories of the reality of MLM that are out there the better chance people will swerve it. Well done getting away from it.

lunicorn · 20/02/2019 21:54

I haven't laughed but I've felt angry. I was angry at being invited to a party which turned out to be an Arbonne sales talk. I'd taken a bottle of wine. There was no food because the host had bought some cheap pizzas which her children had eaten and left a few crusts. I was the only one who didn't sign up and strangely, I wasn't any longer worthy of this 'friend's' time They post memes about negative people e.g. me, people who don't want or need to buy Arbonne.
A Juice plus person Facebook friended me. I don't know why it got to me but I felt so so irritated by the disingenuousness (is that a word?) of the friend request. Still annoys me even tho she's given it up.

PrivacyPolicyYeahRight · 20/02/2019 21:58

My friend does the make up one. I have never laughed at her. I absolutely cringe for her instead. She posts these terrible videos of her trying out her make up and she has zero personality. Lots of horrid, blank face photos that have comments like “smashing it hun!” Below them from her other bot friends. Lots of “flash sale!” Adverts. I haven’t seen her since she started it. She looks absolutely ridiculous but I don’t laugh.

lunicorn · 20/02/2019 22:00

I know some of these people are working hard and putting their life and soul in to it, and I don't want to be negative about that.
But I am negative about the fact that they believe that everyone they attempt to lure in and doesn't bite, is somehow a form of negative energy. They're not, they're just nice people who can think for themselves

Namechangeforthiscancershit · 20/02/2019 22:01

OP...

  • great username!
  • you got off pretty lightly at £300
  • their system works! They know exactly how to suck smart people in. It’s actually really hard to withstand in some cases
  • no one is laughing. Concerned maybe, but you’ve seen the light now

Other than sharing your story here (which may have saved someone else the same pain) I really wouldn’t give it any more thought

YouokHun · 20/02/2019 22:01

@EntirelyAnonomised Avon is now an MLM which is why they spam all over selling sites, Body Shop at Home is also MLM. When it comes to MLM there is no hierarchy of awfulness because they all have the same potential to do damage and I can cite plenty of people losing money in both of those. Usbourne is another - very difficult to survive when your stock can be bought cheaper elsewhere, but reps are being lied to about the potential. That’s the trouble with MLM, there’s a product so it’s legal but the reality of the behaviour, lies and chances of success (

TheHodgeoftheHedge · 20/02/2019 22:02

Well done for seeing the light OP.

There’s a superb John Oliver show on MLMs. Well worth a watch.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=s6MwGeOm8iI&t=2s

YouokHun · 20/02/2019 22:05

PS: in the fairly near future there is a BBC documentary about MLM coming out which I think will really put the cat among the pigeons/Huns - can’t wait!

fruityb · 20/02/2019 22:11

My oldest friend and I no longer speak after I fell out with her for expressing an opinion on the Younique she sells. Apparently I was bad for her mental health so she had to remove me from her life.

Her selfies show a very different face to her live video unboxing stuff... she looks ridiculous with her cartoon eyebrows and how many looks she says she can make from four pink eyeshadows...

She’s a beauty ambassador/make up ninja/confidence coach as well don’t you know. Telling me she was raising money for a ranch to help women who have been victims of abuse... in Salt Lake City... because that’s easy for us to get to here...

MustBeAWeasly · 20/02/2019 22:13

@fluffyears
Ooh the unboxing videos! And don't forget the I'm so happy to work with such an ethical company but that gets out out every day.

I feel terrible she's a mum on maternity leave needing money and they've pounced on it

fruityb · 20/02/2019 22:17

And how you don’t have to miss out on your children’s lives with a boring job! You can be there for them, unlike those selfish cows who work full time...

YouokHun · 20/02/2019 22:18

@fruityb Younique’s Charity endeavours are not all they seem (quelle surprise). Even if a person could afford the airfare to Utah you’d be put through a telephone assessment and screened out for the merest hint of psychological distress, so there is no ‘treatment’ going on. It’s just a big tax avoidance vehicle. As for your friend’s mental health, that’s in far more danger while she’s being manipulated by those absolute fuckers.

YouokHun · 20/02/2019 22:24

Re ‘unboxing videos’. Arbonne (in one of its unofficial training guides) suggests keeping empty boxes so you can take pics and put on social media to give the impression that you’ve got large orders to unbox all the time. I know someone who used to do this along with being her ‘own best customer’. Last time I spoke to her she was £4K down and had taken a load of stuff to landfill as she could never sell it in date.

HoraceCope · 20/02/2019 22:24

Are the memories full of positive Thoughts, ? my work colleague has a side line in this Aloe Vera and her posts are always banging on about Being Positive.

Foreverexhausted · 20/02/2019 22:25

Is Stella and Dot one of these?

I've had to virtually walk away from a friend because on more than one occasion she invited me to her home for what I thought was a coffee and catch up only to get there and find there's a crowd of women I don't know, friends from various places, and a table displaying 'the latest range' of Stella and Dot overpriced junk. Then there's all the fb posts and podcasts....!

Graphista · 20/02/2019 22:27

"Is Body Shop? Seems at odds with their image."

Are you referring to the image they cultivated as an ethical company on many issues, and supporter of charities etc which turned out to be basically bullshit, and which was sold out I think even before Anita died? Yea I loved body shop in the 80's when it was harder to find out the truth on such stuff and as a new veggie keen to use non-animal tested products (also not true for the whole life of the company and dubious claims even when supposedly the case) I Haven't used them in decades. A friend of mine got sucked into selling for them and I messaged her a load of links on messenger proving their ethics and claims were bollocks - she blocked me! Meh her lookout. Wasn't a close friend.

As per pp I've been saying for ages Avon is a mlm too. They're such a huge company they could absolutely afford not to require new salespeople to make a significant initial outlay and buy the damn catalogues!

I told a neighbour to NEVER put fucking betterware catalogues in my door again. I never bought anything and it was a pita having her calling - usually when I'd just got dd down for a nap - to collect the damn thing. I had to ask her several times eventually I had to say to her if she did it again I'd be having words with the housing officer (we were in army quarters - forces wives are a particular target as they're leaving jobs to follow spouses, often got young kids and it's hard to get work as an army wife - when employers see your address and see you're an army wife it puts them off as you could be gone at 28 days notice and it's presented as 'an easy way to make a few quid working from home around the kids and husbands shifts'). Last I knew the armed forces were warning serving members to warn their spouses about mlm.

A friend's little sister (naive type, not particularly academic, doesn't watch news or read newspapers or consumer shows) is CONSTANTLY getting dragged into these. The first time it SEEMED like she saw the light and jacked it in but she keeps getting sucked into others and the people recruiting "assure" her it's not mlm with THEIR company 🙄 currently seems to be selling debit card readers to small shops? Very expensive kit and only works with certain cards etc.

It's heartbreaking cos she must have lost THOUSANDS.

What pisses me off - is why the fuck the police and anti fraud units aren't dealing with them? It's a con it's a fraud - that's illegal! Yet it's the same companies still going strong. How are they getting away with it?

They should ABSOLUTELY be banned and the people at the higher end banned from being company directors etc

Op you got off relatively lightly and at least you know better now, sorry you got sucked in but yea you should apologise where necessary

Coldilox · 20/02/2019 22:27

Is Utility Warehouse MLM?

FetchezLaVache · 20/02/2019 22:27

If you were my friend I would have been worried for you, then relieved when the posts stopped! I think they're incredibly dangerous and I don't know why they're not illegal. They're just Ponzi schemes with the products added to disguise the fact IMO, as one makes money by signing others up rather than by selling one's wares. I think you've done very well to get away with losing as little as £300 - glad you've seen sense.

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