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To wonder how we CAN even consider not bringing the girl back from Syria?

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SpeakingALanguage · 18/02/2019 09:41

Do we not legally have to? We can't just wipe our hands of her, can we?

I've seen petition after petition on my Facebook feed about not allowing her back, sign the petition, etc etc.

But if she's a British citizen, does she not have every legal right to be here, even if she is vile and dangerous?

I did see someone mention she would have to get here on her own steam, but isn't there a big part in the British passport (I know she hasn't got one but she was entitled and is technically British), that says something along the lines of Her Majesty grants assistance and protection as needed?

Without her baby even coming into the argument, she alone regardless is allowed back here, vulnerable with a newborn or not.

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findingmyfeet12 · 19/02/2019 10:16

It's been established that she isn't going to be rescued. However if various journalists can get to her, It may be possible to rescue the baby at some stage.

As for the baby not being hers, again that can be verified too at some stage.

I still would like to know if those who are saying she shouldn't be allowed in would be happy if another country refused to accept a criminal bank that we didn't want?

TabbyMumz · 19/02/2019 10:16

And in that interview she said she had no access to a phone or the media, and yet during the interview her friend's phone clearly went off.

findingmyfeet12 · 19/02/2019 10:17

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TheRiverIsAComfort · 19/02/2019 10:18

Perfectly happy.

There should be international prison submarines floating the seas and then no country would be forced to take in scum.

findingmyfeet12 · 19/02/2019 10:19

We do t have any such submarines and currently do deport people (despite what the Mail says)

TheRiverIsAComfort · 19/02/2019 10:21

So? If we don't have any at the moment, I'm sure it's not beyond the wit of the international community to make some!

I don't like the idea of these fuckers being deported anywhere. They're not fit to live in any country.

Floating about on the ocean bed...best place for them.

findingmyfeet12 · 19/02/2019 10:25

If Syria decide the don't want her, I'm not sure why they should have to keep a Brit while we rally the international community to build prison submarines Hmm

Unless she's more dangerous than anyone we are currently planning to deport from our shores?

Mummylin · 19/02/2019 10:25

Theriver I think the same. It's a load of rubbish she is spouting to try and get back here.
And even if she was here and out in prison, she would be spreading her evil doctrine.
She is a very dangerous person and most of the UK do not want her back.
And I wonder how the posters who think she is young and merely misguided , would think if it had been their child blown to bits because of people like her.

findingmyfeet12 · 19/02/2019 10:27

I think it should be for Syria to decide. If they don't want her they ought to send her back and we can't refuse her entry unless we're prepared never to be allowed to deport anyone either.

TheRiverIsAComfort · 19/02/2019 10:28

I think she is pretty dangerous, very dangerous indeed.

@Mummylyn. I agree with you but we have to accept that some people lack imagination and so accept what this woman is saying.

Maybe others of them agree with her...who knows!

findingmyfeet12 · 19/02/2019 10:30

I also think she's still dangerous - I'm no expert but the interviews with her show a dangerous and cold mindset.

She seems to still be an ISIS supporter and her only regret is that due to corruption she didn't get the lifestyle she was promised out there.

findingmyfeet12 · 19/02/2019 10:32

None of that is really relevant to whether she should be allowed in if she knocks at the door or our responsibility towards the baby.

TheRiverIsAComfort · 19/02/2019 10:36

As she is so dangerous-and I agree with you about how she presents in interview-the only 'true' thing about her then maybe we should think very carefully before allowing her back to our country to make trouble.

Sometimes, we have to revive old Jeremy Bentham and his Utilitarianism: we have to put the greatest happiness (safety) of the majority first.

This dreadful creature is not worth even slightly risking the lives of others for, as she will do something if allowed back whether directly or indirectly She is not worth it...she is of no use, practical or otherwise and may destroy the lives of those who are.

findingmyfeet12 · 19/02/2019 10:39

But if we don't allow her back in, we may be forced to keep more dangerous individuals than her which we would otherwise want to deport because their countries could rightly say they don't want them back.

Snowmaggedon · 19/02/2019 10:40

I thought the type of Islam she follows is Very close to Saudis whabbism so I wonder if places like that could take her and of course over all that would be more comfortable environment for her,in line with her beliefs... surround herself with other women in full dress and the whole raft of lack of freedom's... surely closer to the caliphate. .. than the UK

findingmyfeet12 · 19/02/2019 10:41

She could appeal to other countries but they have no reason to approach her first.

TheRiverIsAComfort · 19/02/2019 10:41

Not if we build big international prison ships or submarines...yellow or otherwise.

Time to think outside the box and stop countries forcing to take back those who have more in common with wild animals than humans.

Snowmaggedon · 19/02/2019 10:44

Maybe that's where she could appeal too then.

findingmyfeet12 · 19/02/2019 10:44

How is that safer or cheaper than a high security prison on land?

findingmyfeet12 · 19/02/2019 10:45

I don't think we should do anything unless Syria says they want rid of her.

TheRiverIsAComfort · 19/02/2019 10:51

It doesn't matter if it's cheaper or more expensive.

I think it would be more secure than a land prison, so where are they going to escape to?

Those things aside, the important thing is that it will mean that no country anywhere in the world will have to be responsible, let them put their feet on their land: they will be officially stateless with all that that implies.

Countries being forced to take individuals back who they know mean them harm has to be addressed and sharpish. Prison ships are a solution to this, although of course, there may be others.

Hollowvictory · 19/02/2019 10:56

Submarines are highly technical and potentially dangerous there's not a submariner in the land that would want to be stuck with a submarine load of criminals who have a death wish

origamiunicorn · 19/02/2019 10:56

No other country would even consider taking the likes of her back, the Netherlands wouldn't, nor would France or the United States, we are so concerned with 'rights' in this country that we will forfeit our own safety and the safety of our children for fear of not looking tolerant...and this is why we are in this mess in the first place.

findingmyfeet12 · 19/02/2019 10:58

How many terrorists have escaped from UK Prisons? I don't remember hearing of any. Why are you advocating prison ships when there's no evidence that they can't be securely held on land?

The problems in prisons aren't lined to whether they're on land or not!

findingmyfeet12 · 19/02/2019 10:59

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