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Aibu to be pissed parents have no life insurance

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pregnantforever · 16/02/2019 13:42

Parents are in their 50s although my dad has the health of a 70year old. They don't take care of themselves and my dad moans every day about how awful his health is but rarely does anything about it.
He makes stupid decisions that are unsafe. Hes self employed and works lots of hours (manual job) with no need to (mortgage free, own their own car, have savings ect). He seems to almost brag about it. Last week sat saying he had had to work in the dark all day in a house where there was no light or electric, in the freezing cold with leaking water everywhere. We all pointed out that he had done this by choice, he's self employed and it's not worth risking his life for, he could have waited until the next day when some of those issues were sorted out but he didn't want to. We said we thought he was irresponsible and he walked off in a big mood.
I told my mum I hoped they had good life insurance if he was going to carry on making stupid decisions like that because she will be left growing old by herself, and she said they had none, and that there was no point in getting any because it would be expensive and their house was paid off anyway.
I don't think owning a house means much. If one of them needs care they will be up shit creek without a paddle. They both insist they want to stay in that house and never go into a care home ect, and my brother won't have anything to do with looking after them, he's not inclined like that. I have a spinal cord injury and don't want all of the burden of taking care of them or one of them being forced to sell up to pay for their care. Surely if they had life insurance then that would at least cover some costs should one of them take a turn? Or do I just need to keep my nose out massively and not worry? I've never asked anything about it before so had no idea they didn't have it.

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XiCi · 17/02/2019 10:50

Imissgmichael you are talking absolute bullshit. A level term life assurance policy for £100,000 will pay £100,000 whether you die on day 1 of the policy or 20 years later. You choose a sum assured and this is the amount paid out on a death during the term of the policy. A decreasing term policy is usually only taken to cover a mortgage and the sum assured decreases in line with your mortgage. These policies are usually a lot cheaper, obviously. We have both types of policies and the LTA covers us up to age 70.

OP, I really think you are worrying too much. There will be help available (council etc) for your parents if the situation arises. Bear in mind that 50s is very young. My parents are in their late 70s and nowhere near needing any help. I also wonder if you are over worrying about your dad's health given that he is able to work in a manual job. And just because his mortgage is paid off doesn't mean he doesn't have to work. They still have to live. They are in their 50s so unless they have savings to last 30 years of more he will need to work!

AlwaysSomethingThere · 17/02/2019 10:50

So my parents don't have a pot to piss in, no estate and live in a council house. I'm their only child and I do have enough in my bank at the moment to pay for a funeral, but it's all for a house deposit and it's going on NOTHING else.

If (and it's a horrible thought) something happened to my parents can anybody force me to pay for it and blow my deposit on a funeral?

Mirime · 17/02/2019 10:54

"Care homes cost around £1K a month per person. That's around £12K a year. The average time spend in a care home is 4 years. Your parents would need £100K cash to cover both of them if they needed a care home."

I think you're underestimating the cost. My grandmother was in a home, not an expensive one, and it was more like £2,500 a month when she died.

Dungeondragon15 · 17/02/2019 10:56

If (and it's a horrible thought) something happened to my parents can anybody force me to pay for it and blow my deposit on a funeral?

As above. They can't force you to pay for a paupers funeral but if you want them to have a service, have a plaque etc, you may have to pay for a funeral as in some areas you can't get this otherwise. This is why we had to pay for MIL funeral about 25 years ago and I suspect that with council cuts the paupers funeral hasn't got any less basic.

LightAsTheBreeze · 17/02/2019 10:58

AlwaysSomethingThere. No-one can force you to pay for a funeral, I think what happens is that there is a lot of pressure from Councils for you to pay but you just have to refuse, they cannot make you pay.

Dungeondragon15 · 17/02/2019 11:05

You have to sign a release form to not pay and then you are not involved in the organisation in any way. You may not even be able to attend a service (depending on the area). That's why a fairly small proportion of funerals are "paupers" funerals. If they were any better everyone would refuse to pay.

Dungeondragon15 · 17/02/2019 11:09

This explains paupers funerals. As you can see, there is large variation.

www.funeralzone.co.uk/help-resources/arranging-a-funeral/what-is-a-paupers-funeral-public-health-funerals-explained

Sorry OP for highjacking your thread!

XiCi · 17/02/2019 11:10

They couldn't force you always but it would mean them not having a funeral and I couldn't let that happen to my parents. I realise it's a worry though. My friend was recently in the same position with his mum. A very basic funeral cost about 6k. Luckily there were 3 siblings to share the costs

yearinyearout · 17/02/2019 11:12

XiCi you are overestimating the availability of council funds to cover funerals. There's no way the council will pay for a funeral for a couple of homeowners who have living relatives able to pay.

AJPTaylor · 17/02/2019 11:13

What you need to do is totally separate yourself from the consequences of your parents decisions.
Make it completely clear that you will not in any way facilitate them clinging to their house. You won't let it have an impact on your life or finances.

HotpotLawyer · 17/02/2019 11:16

They own a house so if they need to go into a home, that will be sold to pay for it, until they are down to £23k, when the state will pay.

You say they have savings, your Mum could work, on your Dd’s Death claim widows payment, UC / Jobseekers until her state pension kicks in.

You can now get a direct cremation which saves endless funeral costs.

Life Insurance isn’t necessarily the best solution here.

More important when one parent would be left with a mortgage to pay and children to feed.

XiCi · 17/02/2019 11:17

yearin I don't think I was suggesting that the council would pay in those circumstances, I know damn well they wouldnt. I imagine in reality they are only done for people with no next of kin. I have never heard of anyone's relatives having one.

HotpotLawyer · 17/02/2019 11:20

OP, there is no way that if they take out life insurance now, at this late stage in their lives, that it will be economically viable and cover care home fees etc etc.

Dungeondragon15 · 17/02/2019 11:25

You can now get a direct cremation which saves endless funeral costs.

It's still about £1,500 and that is with absolutely no funeral service.

pregnantforever · 17/02/2019 11:46

@HotpotLawyer that seems to be the consensus of the thread. I had genuinely just assumed it would protect my mum if dad went.

I'm massively knowledgeable about lots of things but this thread has really opened my eyes. They should teach these things in schools

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sunshinesupermum · 17/02/2019 11:50

I'm 70 and single. I own my flat but have no real savings. Two adult daughters so I do not have life insurance - what on earth for? I'm in the process of looking for a funeral plan but don't see why your parents should take out insurance when they have savings and own a house which should more than cover costs when they die. Sorry. Maybe I'm missing something here?

AzureApps · 17/02/2019 11:53

I am worried about this, can you buy a policy for them?

ssd · 17/02/2019 11:55

Op, read through the last paragraph of what you wrote to me maybe your mum would say the exact same thing to you.

BreakfastAtSquiffanys · 17/02/2019 13:49

They should teach these things in schools
Or use T'interweb

Mirime · 17/02/2019 14:13

"Birdie6

purplepears if your dad needs a care home, yes that house might be considered as part of his assets. And it might have to be sold to pay for his care. The authorities go back about 7 years to see if the person has "gifted" their house ,"

Just to clarify, having got legal advice last year, if they're looking for Deprivation of Assets, they can go back further than 7 years.

D0dgyD0dgem · 17/02/2019 14:41

You must have read stories of people that travel abroad with no travel insurance, who unfortunately get I'll and receive an enormous bill in a foreign country. Lots of people don't own property, don't have contents insurance, pet insurance, car insurance, life insurance. I saw something recently that estimated that more people had mobile phone insurance, but no life insurance !

tillytrotter1 · 17/02/2019 14:47

Most funeral plans are a con.

OhDearGodLookAtThisMess · 17/02/2019 17:04

I'm in my 50s and would be more than pissed off if my children started trying to advise me what I should be doing with my finances.
I'm more than capable of making my own decisions thank you.

clairemcnam · 17/02/2019 17:18

Cremation costs are high where I live. A direct cremation costs nearly £2,000, and that is with no funeral. My parents don't care about having a funeral. So a paupers funeral will be fine.

Wadingthroughshit · 17/02/2019 17:20

I don't know my father...and my mum rents a flat from my uncle, she has no life insurance or pays into any funeral plan...I think it's yet another sign of her irresponsibility, and it bloody annoys me.

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