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Skint Britain: Friends without Benefits on C4

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amrscot · 13/02/2019 21:16

Is anybody else watching this?

One of the couples take their dog out to hunt rabbits and squirrels that they can eat.

They've just shown him with a dead rabbit he has caught skinning it in the kitchen Sad

Horrendous..

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user1493423934 · 20/02/2019 21:24

ummaybenot I think has been given a bit of a hard time re her SIL. Personally i would be very PO'd having to work and fork out for childcare and seeing someone not working and getting free childcare. Unfortunately there always people like her who take the p!ss - boasting about her lifestyle on benefits is very immature. Also giving an underage teenager alcohol to babysit - yeah don't get me started.
And before anyone accuses me of being right-wing, no compassion etc - I have been on benefits and have every sympathy for those who struggle - I know what it is like! especially for those who are disabled. I haven't actually seen the doco (not in UK) but can imagine it is an eye opener. I know what it is like to live on toast, no heating etc. Its tough and I really feel for those posters who have disabilities. xx

EwItsAHooman · 20/02/2019 21:46

Personally i would be very PO'd having to work and fork out for childcare and seeing someone not working and getting free childcare.

It's NOT childcare. It is early years education to help improve outcomes for children from disadvantaged households, children in receipt of DLA or with an EHCP in place are also eligible as it helps improve outcomes for them too. It is for 15hrs a week, usually three hours a day Monday to Friday, and is term time only.

Asta19 · 20/02/2019 21:54

My DS got one of those nursery places. He was diagnosed with Aspergers and I’d just left my violent partner. It was really good for him. He’s 30 this year with a degree and a good job. He’s never claimed benefits. Don’t begrudge something that can help kids get a better future.

HelenaDove · 20/02/2019 21:59

@Asta19 Thanks

user1493423934 · 21/02/2019 02:21

OK. I wasn't aware, I thought it was actual childcare that all children can go to when their parents work- I think poster said something like that in her post - not a different sort of one. Certainly not meaning to begrudge anyone from getting help.

EwItsAHooman · 21/02/2019 07:22

OK. I wasn't aware, I thought it was actual childcare that all children can go to when their parents work- I think poster said something like that in her post - not a different sort of one. Certainly not meaning to begrudge anyone from getting help.

Then why not take a moment to check your facts before spouting vitriol?

gotin2amess · 21/02/2019 08:39

Hi,

Last week, I watched the first episode of this programme. After the programme, I had some doubts about whether the producers had established a balance between the factual presentation of the hardship experienced by people who have to survive on UC, the unfairness of the system (e.g. a five week wait for the first payment and ridiculous sanctions) and the need to provide entertaining television.

This week, I watched the second episode and became intensely angry. In my opinion, this is not an objective portrayal of how people are struggling with a benefits system that has so many flaws; it is a very poorly presented attempt to vilify and stereotype people who have the misfortune to be out of work.

People on UC are not: drug dealers, shoplifters, scrap metal thieves who steal wash basins and dress up like idiots to raid the local crack den.

Universal credit is an attempt to make the welfare system easier to manage by merging a number of benefits together. In principle, this would be a welcome change because the old system meant individuals had to make separate claims for each benefit and many people missed out on finance to which they were entitled.

However, there have been immense problems with rolling out UC. The problems are accentuated because claims and logs have to be submitted online and because 'sanctions' are issued if individuals fail to meet certain target related to evidencing work related activities and job searches. There is research that suggests the sanctions do not work (I will submit a link later).

The young people with whom I work on a supported internship are all in receipt of UC. They have learning disabilities and their internship is part of the work related activities that will help them to find paid employment (we hope).

My son is on UC and is not able to work at the moment (he is in residential care).

My neighbour claims UC and fervently searches for work. He is nearly sixty and has worked hard most of his life.

The people in these examples would never dream of engaging in criminal activity, even though they struggle to make ends meet. Furthermore, at the end of the programme, there was a short script from the DWP stating that there is no evidence of a correlation between UC sanctions and crime. There is, however a link between sanctions and suicide www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/2018/november/universal-credit-linked-suicide-risk-finds-new-research.

The programme in question is avoiding the real issues for the sake of biased entertainment.

Xenia · 21/02/2019 09:47

I have not seen episode 2 year. ep 1 seemed reasonably fair and balanced. I will report back once I watch ep. 2.

QuirkyQuark · 21/02/2019 09:51

gotin2amess the programme isntso much about UC everywhere, it was filmed in a very deprived area that was used as a test case for the rollout. I would imagine it was in fact a very real portrayal of what it was like there.

Frequency · 21/02/2019 10:35

It's accurate but it's not balanced. The people shown are a sizable minority of the Hartlepool population and let's face it, they are unemployable for the most part. Even if there were opportunities in Hartlepool the people filmed need more than a job. They need support which does not exist anymore due to cuts.

There are also people in Hartlepool who want to work, who are capable of work but can't find any because there are few job available and the jobs that do come up have literally thousands of applicants. There are also people in Hartlepool who want to work fulltime but can only find part-time work because most of the employers we do have only take on part-time staff until you reach management level. There are people who once worked in the call centre or factories who are struggling to find fulltime work now those places have gone. And then there are people like me who've studied almost everything the local college has to offer in the hopes of finding work that pays enough to live on only to find the jobs don't exist.

gotin2amess · 21/02/2019 10:36

Hello,

I also live in an area of multiple deprivation in the north of England. Yes,. there are pockets of criminality, but a central focus on this detracts from the real problems with UC. Watch episode two (with the staged arrests and filmed 'criminal' activity) and then tell me that this is a fair portrayal of life for individuals who are unemployed and in receipt of UC.

gotin2amess · 21/02/2019 10:38

Sorry Frequency - cross-posted

Xenia · 21/02/2019 11:16

I know it is hard fr people to move but my ancestors moved to the NE because there were jobs (in mines and then shipyards) and I had to move (to London) for work over 30 years ago. We do have jobs in the SE. My son easily got a job as a postman on about £22k and now drives a van . We have the fullest employment in the UK since the 1950s now and of course that is not the case up there.

I know it is not easy to move but is there a way people can at least try to access these SE jobs eg jobs living in in someone's house doing childcare(accommodation provided -obviously not likely to be possible if you have a child however) or commuting back on the bus at weekends? I am not saying that is easy but for a lot of people well qualified and who are fit enough to work looking outside the NE might be one answer.

Brilliantidiot · 21/02/2019 11:21

Why are they framing UC as an out of work benefit

Ah come now @HelenaDove, of course it's framed as an out of work benefit, it absolutely wouldn't do to deprive all those hard working tax payers (let's ignore for a moment the thousands on UC or TC who work and pay tax, or the disabled and pensioners) of their need to froth about their tax money going to lazy workshy scroungers who buy booze fags and takeaways with free handouts!

And where's the entertainment value in stirring up all these hard working tax payers by showing a single mum working full time still needing to use a food bank? Because rent and bills have swallowed the piss poor wages she earns? Or a disabled person being left with nothing because they're unable to work? Or a pensioner sanctioned because they can't gain access to the internet.
No that'd mean facing the fact that the country is fucked and we as a society would rather blame those at the bottom who have no control over any of it than see what's really going on.

Frequency · 21/02/2019 11:42

The cost of living in the SE is extortionate, Xenia. There's no way in Hell I could afford to move there in the hope of possibly finding work. I'd only consider it if I had a guaranteed job with guaranteed hours and I honestly can't see anywhere in the SE taking on a hairdresser, nail tech or care worker who'd be commuting from Hartlepool. No-one in Hartlepool is going to move to the SE unless they already have a job or family there.

I am learning to drive once I finish this college course and I'm taking steps to improve my credit rating with the hopes of hiring or buying a car so I can start looking for jobs further afield.

Dowser · 21/02/2019 11:52

How can a postman in the se on £22k support a family? No way. I read daily on here that families with two wage earners in the se are struggling
My son is on ever so slightly more than that and is keeping 5 going and yes he’s on UC too.
He’d much rather be on a better salary and his partner working but the jobs are few and far between that fit in around his shift hours and school hours

Vixxxy · 21/02/2019 12:02

It makes me seriously rage how UC is made out to be an out of work benefit, therefore demonising those on low wages, 0 hour contracts and such aswell as the usual targets, those out of work. Suddenly, those who ARE working...are just as bad as the 'benefit scroungers' that people like to whinge about. Its bad enough that those currently out of work (often through non fault of their own) get this vitriol. But when its directed at workers too...just because their employers take the piss, in many cases...its just ridiculous.

Frequency · 21/02/2019 12:03

How can a postman in the se on £22k support a family?

Exactly. I'm on around £16k including top ups from tax credits and council tax support and I'm struggling in one of the cheapest places in the UK to live.

Xenia · 21/02/2019 12:46

It was only a suggestion. People do live in the SE on one wage of £21k or two wages of £21k = £42k. It is not impossible and can be a route out of poverty for many. By all means stay in the NE if that suits people better. I was just pointing out the wages available. A double bed room is about £400 a month to rent down here
22k is about £1500 take home a month so would leave you with about 1100 for your council tax, food etc. If 2 of you share the room then you would be doing okay too.

Anyway up to people to decide what they want to do. I was just saying what the costs are around here and the wages and that there are jobs.

EwItsAHooman · 21/02/2019 12:49

but for a lot of people well qualified and who are fit enough to work looking outside the NE might be one answer

Or the government (and everyone bloody else) realising that there is an entire country outside of the South East of England and that country is worthy of the investment needed to attract the industry and infrastructure that will create jobs.

EwItsAHooman · 21/02/2019 12:52

A double bed room is about £400 a month to rent down here 22k is about £1500 take home a month so would leave you with about 1100 for your council tax, food etc. If 2 of you share the room then you would be doing okay too.

A room? My entire house - three bed semi with garage, front and back gardens, utility room, two toilets, and outbuildings - is only £390 a month. Paying £400 for one room is madness. How would people ever progress in their life if they're living that life in one room in a shared house?

Xenia · 21/02/2019 12:56

Yet people do and because there are more jobs it is often a route out of poverty actually. Also it means their chldren are brought up in an area with better schools and better life opportunities so even if the parents have a worse life it can mean the children do better so some parents make the move for that reason to break the cycle of poverty they are in..

Children in inner London comprehensives often do very well - there are all sorts of good schools in the state sector down here from sixth from maths colleges to those twinned with Westminster school. Those options are not as easy to access in NE England.

Xenia · 21/02/2019 12:58

I just looked up my father's grammar school where he and his brother both went off from to read Medicine at Durham in 1936 and the 1940s
kingjames1academy.com/news/?n=all&id=652

This year they seem to have had only about 4 pupils going to the better universities and even then "only" Newcastle, not oxbridge, Durham or anything like that (unless there are others they do not publicise). That would not be the case with a London comp.

caperplips · 21/02/2019 13:01

God that was a depressing programme last night. So utterly utterly bleak. I can't get Graham out of my mind, such a waste of potential. How is his future ever going to change?
This programme has made me feel so sad

amrscot · 21/02/2019 13:05

Wanted to watch last nights on catch up but it isn't available yet. Weird

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