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Skint Britain: Friends without Benefits on C4

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amrscot · 13/02/2019 21:16

Is anybody else watching this?

One of the couples take their dog out to hunt rabbits and squirrels that they can eat.

They've just shown him with a dead rabbit he has caught skinning it in the kitchen Sad

Horrendous..

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Ummaybenot · 16/02/2019 18:43

That first paragraph didn't go in bold. Still not sure How to do that Grin but that's the bit I was quoting anyway

Namechange8471 · 16/02/2019 18:47

I live in Hartlepool and have always struggled to find work, particularly the right hours.

I worked cleaning, macdonalds, pub work etc .

I now work in care and get the hours I need. But it's took me 5 years just to get a full time job.

It showed you the roughest part of the town, on my street a lot of people do work.

I don't live in a posh area either.

WrongKindOfFace · 16/02/2019 18:57

I think there’s been changes to expenses since duckhousegate. I’m not denying that some MPs have blatantly taken the piss in the past. One would hope they now stick to the rules and use them for their intended purpose.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 16/02/2019 20:51

Not one comment on this thread has yet made me think that I'm wrong for feeling cross at this I'm afraid.

Probably because your SIL provides you with the confirmation bias to already pre conceived ideas about us ‘scroungers’

When I first became disabled (an invisible disability which helps the narrative that there can’t be anything wrong with me) I was treated with respect and as a PP mentioned I could go to the post office every 2 weeks and get my money no problems and if there was any correspondence from the DWP U’d open the letter happily knowing it was important but ever since Iain Dunkedin Shit became Secretary of State and the Scrounger narrative became a thing the terror I feel now, literally terror, when a brown envelope lands on my doorstep it takes me days of stressing and worrying before I can even open it which carries a risk of being sanctioned if I miss an appointment. Do any of your employers threaten to withhold 100% of your wages because you’re ten minutes late to get to work? I thought not

I’m mentally disabled through no fault of my own this disability is nothing more than bad genetics and unluckiness, but because you all ‘know’ of a ‘scrounger’ you’re willing to put me through hell with the constant re-assessments and the questions they ask you such as ‘why haven’t you killed yourself yet?’

I don’t leave my house anymore unless it’s absolutely necessary so maybe once every two weeks, I live very very rurally and don’t have any neighbours can any of you imagine how lonely I feel and have to continue that because I’m sick of the looks and the comments when I see people from school/college/university when they ask me what I do these days and I tell them that I’m now disabled and you get ‘that’ look, everyone with hidden disabilities will recognise that look, and get told oh well it must be a good life.

I can barely afford to eat, I can barely afford to heat my house but that’s ok though right I’m sure tonsome if you I deserve it for being a scrounger so thanks for that Hmm

Sorry if this was an incoherent post I’m a little bit pissed off at some of the response by some PP’s on this thread and the useful idiots they are to the idealoques that want people like me to suffer so they can get richer

amrscot · 16/02/2019 21:12

So glad I started this thread. I hope it's eye opening for those who have no idea as to what's going on in this country.

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WeeTinkerMonkey · 16/02/2019 21:52

Not one comment on this thread has yet made me think that I'm wrong for feeling cross at this I'm afraid.

That says far far more about you and you morals than anyone else and theirs.

JanMeyer · 16/02/2019 22:12

JustAnotherPoster00 - I know exactly how you feel about the terror of the brown envelopes. I can't even face getting the post most days, the fear of there being yet another letter is all consuming. Some days I don't get out of bed simply because I can't bear to get up and face the prospect of there being yet another form and yet another assessment.

The combination of my autism and anxiety means I constantly obssess over assessments and what might happen, even worse I can't stop obssessing over the PIP assessor that wrote all those lies about me. I keep going over it in my head, reliving it over and over again, like some weird form of PTSD. Autistic people usually aren't good at letting injustices and slights go, and I am no exception. I'm not exaggerating when I say they ruined my life. I mean it wasn't all that great before, but at least before I had a shred (however small) of dignity and self worth.

It's ironic isn't it that DLA's replacement is called Personal Independence Payment when all it really does it take people's independence away, not give it back or help. Since I won my tribunal in 2017 I've completely retreated away from the real world, even though I have half my income back and I can afford to go out again I hardly ever do. One because I'm terrifed of my neighbours (some of whom love to gossip about how healthy I look and so there can't be anything wrong with me - yeah, I'm not sick thanks, I'm autistic for fuck's sake) reporting me in for daring to step outside and have some fun and b) I'm terrified of coming home to, you've guessed it, yet another brown envelope.

And next year there'll be another assesment for me to look forward to, you know because we all know autism can be cured in a few years/gets better Angry Sad
Another assessment, no doubt more lies, yet another tribunal. More struggling for months on end whilst we wait for the tribunal date. Yeah, it's just so much fun being disabled The one convincing argument in my head I have against suicide is that doing so would be giving the DWP what they want, and I'm sure as hell not going to help them in their mission against disabled people.

PomBearWithAnOFRS · 16/02/2019 23:34

Namechange8471 Does your name begin with N? I think we might know each other Grin

Madein1995 · 17/02/2019 00:05

It's so sad to read this thread, how anyone can think people on benefits live a life of luxury I'll never know. Yes there are rude people, lazy People, people who can't budget - you meet them in all walks of life not just benefits.

It's sad and infuriating to see how disabled people are treated too. I work with PIP on the phones, in no position to change anything at all. I know all too well how some people are let down by the system. The descriptors are very specific and not necessarily a true reflection of people's lives. The assessment process is shocking - most of my colleagues feel the same about the assessors but have no authority over them. It seems to over simplify things, and even if you do get a well meaning assessor is, their work environment is shocking and stressful so recommendations aren't always accurate. Never mind the fact that they see you for one day. How is that a true reflection of someone's life?

I feel for a lot of people I speak to daily - even with the angry ones there's often a reason, eg long waiting times and beauracy. Which I can't do anything about of course, but it is still frustrating. You do get some rude, vile people but tbh you get that everywhere, I did when working in a supermarket. I think it's easy for some staff to take the them and us approach

That said, staff aren't well equipped to deal with it and it's the government who are to blame. The system is frustrating, it's frustrating for us too, because we can give the best advice we can to try and help, but ultimately we can't change anything. Training and staffing is shocking. One of the new girls on my team was shoved on telephony within a week. Bear in mind she'd never done calls before, had a limited understanding of the benefit and was basically a fish out of water. That certainly wasn't fair to the people ringing up, nor was it fair on her.

I hear UC staff are striking, good. Against being short staffed yes but I also understand they're protesting the current system. And understaffing affects benefit so much, waiting times have doubled in pip yet all they do is faff about moving teams about

I've no clue about UC, to be honest. But as someone who works pip, it is a shit system. I apologize for it and feel awful daily. I do the best I can and go above and beyond for claimants. But something needs to change. It is ridiculous that someone can wait a year for appeal, for example. I feel so shit sometimes, I know it's not my fault in any way, but it's still bloody hard when someone's desperate and all you can do is give them a few phone numbers and some pathetic advice. It beggars belief that people are stupid enough to still believe the 'gkat screen telly, big car, foreign holiday ' lies

To the person who mentioned fraud. It's easier said than done, bit please please please don't worry. We (my team alone) recieve tens of accusations a week. Usually staff like 'shea out drinking ' or 'he put the bins out last Friday'. Unless someone has credible evidence (for eg, someone has someone's mobility car but they live 100kiles away, or someone has photos of someone in a muddy (those sporty tough things) competition when they've said they can't walk a step) they get noted up but ignored. It's very rare for them to even get passed to the fraud tram. They usually discard things. If they do think there's something up, and there has to be a good reason, they ask claimants to come for a review - filling th form and an assessment. Not nice, I appreciate that, but not the kind of spying on people in a van, looking to catch them out, thing people tend to envisage. Staff are very good at recognising malicious, petty jealous comments. Usually we laugh at how sad that person's life must be and note it up and pass to the TL. Who tutts, rolls his eyes and files it under Bin. There has to be a very good reason for fraud to get involved

Ummaybenot · 17/02/2019 00:55

@weetinker it really doesn't...
Like I've said a lot of times I have nothing against anyone who needs to claim benefits while they find a job or they have a disability or they are in low paid jobs etc .

sashh · 17/02/2019 05:59

This might give you all a a laugh.

I drive a car with hand controls. The car is motability but my controls have mostly been ones I have to pay for (prices have changed as has the system of ordering and grants being available for some cost) the cost is about £1500 every three years.

The fact I can drive was used as evidence that I could walk.

I have a carer who amongst other things puts mu [ills into those boxes with mon - friday and sections for different pills. Apparently having someone do this means I have no problem taking medication.

Regressionconfession · 17/02/2019 06:48
  • It costs money to be poor.

You're often stuck with gas/electricity key meters which cost more to run than gas/electricity on direct debit and are reliant on you topping them up. No money? No power.*

I think this is true. Also, in my experience the opposite it true and the richer you are the more free rides you get. My mum lives in a big poorly insulated house and has an eco boiler which under the government renewable energy scheme she will receive £90k for over 7 years. I can think of other examples too. The contrast is stark and simply isn't fair.

Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow · 17/02/2019 06:59

And people wonder why those in the north voted for Brexit. If you tell people they will end up worse off and how the economy will suffer, they will laugh in your face.

We need a proper Labour Party and not some neo-liberal shite started by the likes of Blair

Xenia · 17/02/2019 07:49

Labout may be about to split so that might end up ensuring there is that "proper" Labour party being what is left when the rebels leave. www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/02/rebel-labour-mps-set-to-quit-party-and-form-centre-group

JustAnotherPoster00 · 17/02/2019 09:24

Xenia the graun have been talking about the plp splitting since JC was elected as leader, it still hasnt happened

Alsohuman · 17/02/2019 10:23

Doesn’t mean it won’t. The Tories are imploding too. It seems we have interesting political times in prospect.

Letsmoveondude · 17/02/2019 11:03

I was on benefits when it was significantly easier (2010 ish) but even then, life was grim. I can't imagine how hard it is for those who have to live on UC now.

FUSOI · 18/02/2019 17:19

Its the place we live now unfortunately.
People have been demonised as previously mentioned on certain benefits but lauded on other benefits.
The country is morally bankrupt and has been for a good while, a recession would do it a world of good.
Only here would people think it is fair to stop 15% or so out £70 ish money because he happens to end up unemployed and in a 2 bedroom place. (Can't get a 1 bedroom). Yet it is perfectly acceptable to give someone a "benefit" to buy an "Affordable House" at £600,000. If that is a couple on £40,000 each a year, it is equivalent to being tax free for the next 5 years.

Average wage is around £20,000, but you can put £20,000 a year in a ISA tax free.
WTC to people that don't need it.
WTC to boost profits of some of the richest companies in the world filled by foriegn workers, paid by British Taxpayers.
As for Labour under Blair it was just tories and he did untold damage, but idiots still voted for them. Introduced ESA the start of taking money away from the most vulnerable.
Pension allowances that are totally skewed.
MP's are benefiting the most, it isn't going to change anytime soon.
Housing crisis but the housebuilders are building less houses on bigger margins to keep prices and profits up, massive helping hand from help to buy.

The truth is people don't care, maybe have fake reaction, but aslong as the house prices are OK and getting lots of handouts the rest can do one.

Been the same for over 30 years, it isn't changing anytime soon.

Frequency · 18/02/2019 18:51

I have a carer who amongst other things puts mu [ills into those boxes with mon - friday and sections for different pills. Apparently having someone do this means I have no problem taking medication

And yet, if you were in a care home or supported residence, the CQC would declare this meant you were unable to manage your own medication safely and it would have to be kept in a locked cupboard out of your reach for your own safety. Carers in care settings are not allowed to decant medication into unmarked containers because it's classed as unsafe (resident's family are allowed to do it for them but carers are not).

Charley50 · 18/02/2019 21:29

@FUSOI - you are spot on. It's so fucked up, so corrupt.

VoiceOfCommonSense · 19/02/2019 05:37

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VoiceOfCommonSense · 19/02/2019 05:43

And it’s fair enough to blame the Tories now but it was labour that started the benefits for all system. Growing up in the 90’s I would see people milking the benefits system for all they could get and now their children are doing the same bleeding the country dry.

MeetJoeTurquoise · 19/02/2019 07:20

VoiceOfCommonSense have you really not understood any comments on this thread, or have you just not bothered to read it and piped up with the same crap that others have, despite people knowledgeably, eloquently and passionately explain why people that think like you, are judgemental idiots.

HelenaDove · 20/02/2019 21:09

Am watching now. Why are they framing UC as an out of work benefit

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