Who was U here? Not my neighbour.

[AuntieCJ]

On my way back down the lane earlier I found my neighbour of a few doors up involved in a nasty sounding argument with a man. She has a large front garden with high fences and gates. A man had been trying to push a large barking dog into her garden. He'd opened the gate to do so. She'd seen him and rushed out to see what he was doing.

The dog had been running up to people and barking and running into the road, narrowly avoiding being run over. The man had caught it by the collar and was trying to put it into neighbour's garden. It's not her dog and she didn't want it in her garden, it was very big and barky and I don't blame her.

The man tried to insist saying the dog could cause an accident or attack someone because it was panicking. She said to take it to his own house and keep it there. He said his garden wasn't secure like hers. She said that if he left the dog there she'd let it out the moment he'd gone. He doesn't live near us but had stopped his car to try to help and didn't want to put it in his car.

All the time he was trying to push the gate and force the dog into the garden. By this time it was snarling and growling and it tried to bite him. He let it go and it ran off. Imagine if it had been trapped in neighbour's garden in that mood. It was U of him to try to do that, wasn't it? If I'd have found that big angry dog in my garden I'd have been frightened as was my neighbour.

Obviously you don't shove a large dog into someone's garden without permission. What's the owner of the garden supposed to do with it? Suppose they are allergic or phobic around dogs? Suppose they have pets of their own with access to the garden? Suppose the owner turns up and accuses the house owner of stealing it?

In the OP it says "he didn't want to put the dog in his car" but the woman is not allowed a choice of whether she wants the dog in her garden? Interesting

"It was U of him to try to do that, wasn't it? "

Well I think it was a good idea in principle, but obviously not without neighbours permission or him waiting in the garden with the dog had she said yes.

He started reasonable, trying to find a safe place and call for help. He ended up unreasonable because once she'd said 'no' that was that.

She didn't want to try to find a solution? The world does work better when everyone pitches in.

Sounds like the dog was a bit out of control and needed containing. Your friend's garden was the nearest suitable place, and could have stayed there until help came. What was the other person supposed to do, physically restrain it for goodness knows how long? Sounds like he was trying to do the best thing in a difficult situation not of his making! I don't blame your friend for not wanting this to happen though if they are scared off dogs, and he was unreasonable to force the issue after your friend had made it clear.

I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt that he planned to speak to the house's owner and discuss what to do about the dog once he'd dealt with the immediate issue, which was containing it.

They were both U. He should have buzzed and asked for help rather than just do it, and she should have helped

His 'nice thing's was palming it off onto someone else, without permission or even knowledge! It could have been really dangerous if the woman was out for instance and came back to be faced with an angry and unknown dog in her garden, that she didn't even know was there! Or opened her door to leave to be faced with the same situation. It was actually irresponsible of him to try and do that without asking first, like me the woman could have had her own dogs that would have been at risk, or children, a cat, anything. If someone asked me and I knew the dog warden was aware/on their way then I'd probably let the dog stay as long as I didn't need to be in/out or had somewhere seperate to put my dogs or another way to get in and out, but just shoving the dog in someone else's garden without their knowledge could cause all sorts of issues.

He doesn't know her or her circumstances

The variable consequences of shoving a large angry dog in her garden are huge :

Other animals, including dogs / cats
Small Children or Grandchildren
Somebody elderly or with SN living there

Etc etc

You can't just say, you have a secure garden so I'm going to shove this out of control dog in it, and you sort it out because it's now in your garden

Surprised at the number of people claiming they'd be fine with this

Trying to catch the dog is fine, trying to pass the responsibility to a complete stranger, without asking them, and driving off - very U. If your neighbour said she didn't want to help he should have left it at that and found another solution.

As strange as this sounds we were woken up in the early hours one morning by someone doing the same thing . The dog was friendly in this case and it must have been warm because we just left the dog there until the morning . We took it to the police station the next day , We found out it belonged to someone we knew who lived around the corner from us , they werent happy we took it to the police station , but we honestly didnt recognised the dog

I think he was being entirely logical. The dog needed to be restrained, because it was likely to attack someone, cause a car accident or get killed on the road.

He couldn't keep a hold of it - that has been established and the sensible option was to find somewhere secure.

As long as he then made sure your neighbour knew so she didn't put herself, kids, dogs at risk, then I think that makes perfect sense

Yes, maybe it would mean she couldn't leave her house until the dog was taken away, but better that than for example, a child being attacked and ending up with life altering injuries

I think that man was thinking of the dog and his community. Fair play to him, wish there was more like him around. He risked himself a bit in the process, a panicked dog could have turned on him.

Or a child. Or caused an accident.

The woman just had to let the dog into her garden for a few hours. But chose not to.

What if the dog had then run off and caused an accident where someone died?

I’m definitely with the man. Good for him. He tried.

The man had no right to force the dog into the woman's garden, especially as it was showing aggressive tendencies. The ideal solution would have been for him to ask the lady if she had some rope that he could use to tie the dog up outside somewhere so that it was restrained and would not cause harm while awaiting a dog warden to arrive. What a cheek to think he could just dump it in someone's garden!

The dog was too dangerous to be left in a garden but would have been just fine in a strangers car - if you say so.
We dont know if he was going to get it in and call dog warden or not, he never got that far.
I dont think chiming in for your neighbour counts as helping to solve the problem (dog on loose at risk to self and others) at all. You could all have pulled together instead.

You can see both sides here.

Unreasonable of the bloke to stick it in a garden without knowing if there’s maybe children in there

But he was well intentioned, clearly.

I’m a helper. My DP is not. He’d also choose to not help and leave a dog to cause a road accident/bite a child/meet some terrible demise and a heartbroken family without giving it a second thought.

There’s a lot of non helpers in this world. I asked a lady walking past me to hold a baby bird I’d rescued from a road, so I could go back and pick up two more. She looked at me like I’d asked her to hold my poo.

I think he was being an idiot, why would you force an aggressive dog into someone elses garden? I can understand he was trying to help but surely he could secure it on his own property or at least ask first.

Completely ridiculous of him.

Lot of Sanctimonious Sandras on here saying they would have let him - well good for you, but you have no idea of her circumstances. I wouldn't want a nasty dog in my garden and I like dogs in general.

Well I can understand her reticence, and he was trying to be responsible. Even if he was willing to put the dog in his car there’s no guarantee that he could have done so, large, scared dog wouldn’t be easy to convince to just jump in the boot. Funnily enough I’ve had to do this twice. Once with a very lively but ultimately friendly Boxer and once with a huge shaggy GSD that I wasn’t at all sure of but I’ve got the only fully enclosed property down our lane and didn’t want them running off, getting lost or hurt or causing an accident, so I did the necessary. Both times the owner turned up fairly soon after, dogs had both managed to get off lead so owners weren’t too far away and had been looking for their dogs. Both very grateful and tbh I would have been very uncomfortable taking a not my problem attitude.

The man was being a massive cheeky fucker.

How did the man know that there wasn't already a small child/cat/person who was very scared of dogs in that garden?

No good deed goes unpunished, ay?

Or a rabbit.

he tried to do a nice thing

No, the nice thing is taking it home with you, put it in your shed or living room. Not making it someone elses responsibility. What if he had attacked her child?

For those people saying, he should have asked first, or he could have asked for a bit of rope...

He was trying to keep hold of an aggressive dog while it tried to bite him. He was doing the best he could under the circumstances, at risk to himself. I think he is exactly the sort of person you need in an emergency.

And I'm no 'Sanctimonious Sandra' but staying inside for a bit while it gets sorted is hardly a massive ask.