If women are expected to donate eggs and a uterus, men should donate their penis and testicles?

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I see from the comments here people are happy for women alive and dead to donate, if that's ok then why aren't transmen being offered the same primary sex organs?

Is what's good enough for the cervix haver is good enough for the ejaculator?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6685681/Leading-British-surgeon-calls-transgender-women-life-changing-womb-transplants.html

I bet it's actually easier to attach a penis and testicles.

"Surely it's so it's inclusive of trans men?"

Oops, yes, apologies (bah!)

So lots of infertile women will miss the chance to get a womb transplant because lots of women will refuse donation due to men getting the organ. Then the few that are avaliable will have to be split with men that want wombs that won't be able to functions for gratification and inclusivity.

I can't tell if this poster is being sarcastic or not!

Who me? Never. It's all going to be fine. TWAW and no debate.

never on transmen being able to produce sperm. The later seems much more possible than the former tbh, although let's face it, both are ridiculous.

I believe someone once experimented on roosters and he put a testicle of one rooster on the belly of a formally castrated rooster and it continued to produce testosterone that effected the roosters appearance and behaviour.

So maybe testicle transplants could work. There function is much less complex than that of a uteros so it's probably more likley to work. But no one seems to care about transmen in the same way they do transwomen.

Debaser
Think that’s the size of it.

BumCheeks
I consider myself lucky. Beginning of last week I went to see a private surgeon to book surgery, which I would have paid for. I’d already been to a&e and was told I was wrong, I didn’t need a scan. . Anyway I was somewhat reassured I wasn’t in immediate danger (I’d been told to go to a&e by a pharmacist and 111). So I organised a private scan and booked to see a surgeon privately. From the surgeons office I was admitted for emergency surgery and operated on 36 hours later.

I took my health in my hands and got direct access to a surgeon as I knew something was really wrong. I’ve got experience of surgery. I know how to get decent drugs etc. Not everyone is so savvy or has the funds.

It was a bit of an eye opener actually. I stayed in the intake ward for 3 days before being transferred. There were about 4/5 women there because of gallbladder issues / gall stones. Some sent home. Some consequently booked for surgery.

You will shortly have to opt out of organ donation, the change in law is working it's way through parliament.

And an opt out organ donation system will save more lives which is a good thing.

If you don't want to donate certain parts of your body then don't.

Have I missed where the OP has told us who is expecting us to donate eggs and uterus?

If you want a reasoned debate then start a thread with a sensible non sensational title although that wouldn't help create up the sensationalist anti trans thread you want.

I would happily donate my eggs, ovaries and basically anything I don’t need after my death to anyone, Male, female, trans or even a dog if it would work.

I wouldn't donate my eggs to anyone as I feel responsible for children created from those eggs and I can't look after those offspring if I'm dead.

The article is daily mail click bait. Like the nutjob doctor who could definitely 100% do a full head transplant.

It will never happen. Like some poster have said it amounts to medical experiments on babies. Although the transactivists don’t care about babies they just want the world to see things their way and will do anything to get their selfish way. Sorry guys you ain’t women, deal with it.

I would happily donate my eggs, ovaries and basically anything I don’t need after my death to anyone, Male, female, trans or even a dog if it would work

What do you mean 'work'? Do you think dogs can have human uteruses transplated into their doggy bodies and give birth to what? A half puppy half human species?

I wouldn't donate my eggs to anyone as I feel responsible for children created from those eggs and I can't look after those offspring if I'm dead.

That's how I feel debaser.

I would never donate my eggs after death either (my uterus they can have but after 4 cesareans it's a doss house now, so no one would actually want it anyway).

I think it's unethical to create a life from gametes of a person who is deceased, female or male. Imagine being born of a person of whom no longer existed and you could have no connection with. No. Children have rights and the desires of adults should not supercede them.

Ok. So you don't want to donate your eggs and uterus. So don't. No-one's making you.

Accept that other people think differently to you and they have the right to do whatever they want with their own bodies, regardless of what you choose to do with yours. It's not your place to act as moral arbiter of other women's bodies.

I'll not be needing my uterus after death. If someone else can use it to have a much wanted child, crack on.

I am concerned about this rearing its head at the same time as organ donation becomes an opt-out procedure, with extra guilt trips from the liberal classes about why wouldn't you want all parts of your body available to be donated. There's also been suggestions that surrogacy should be made legal. Some people really think that women are too uppity and women's bodies ought to be public property.

The FWR boards are discussing this topic of course, and it has been said that the TRA biological males likely to want this procedure are saying nothing about their desire to have a child, only about the desire to feel pregnant, as if it's all about their validation. For women the process of being pregnant is usually nothing more than a necessary precursor to having a child. personally I think if men want the uncomfortable and potentially life risking business of being pregnant instead they're very welcome to it

I'll not be needing my uterus after death. If someone else can use it to have a much wanted child, crack on

Surely you know you cant just sew a uterus into a man and expect a baby to pop out [of their...um...] 9 months later?

sackrifice "Someone else". Could be a woman. Intersex person born without a functioning uterus. And yeah, if the medical technology is advanced to that stage, a biological male. Whyever not? Could give the chance for a transwoman to have a child, why people on mumsnet assume nefarious intent to all transwomen is beyond me. And elective c-sections are a thing.

Could also give the opportunity for a couple where the woman cannot carry a child (due to vital medication that would be dangerous to a foetus for example) for the man to carry a child.

And yes, they should absolutely look into the possibility of transplanting penises and testicles. Men lose them due to accidents or illness so why not?

men donate sperm and have done a lot longer than women have donated eggs

Bit easier for men to do so wouldn’t you say?

I’d have to opt out of my female (am I allowed to use that word?) specific organs being donated tbh. Would not like that at all.

On the back of this horrific thought, knowing that I would not be allowed to guarantee that any of my organs would not be given to a transperson, I have removed myself from the organ donor list.

Ugh it is unethical to try to implant a uterus into a man. I agree with a PP who says this is experimenting on babies. Is it safe? It’s not going to happen and shouldn’t be considered. No man ever has given birth. Just leave things alone-there is absolutely no reason for a man to need to have a baby. Totally selfish.

Could give the chance for a transwoman to have a child,
But a transwoman already has the necessary biology to have a child!

Could give the chance for a transwoman to have a child, why people on mumsnet assume nefarious intent to all transwomen is beyond me.

It is 'beyond you' that men do all they can to control women to the extent of having the right to their wombs?

And what makes you think trans women can't have children already? 80% keep their penises and testicles and have no intention of losing them.

It is 'beyond you' that men do all they can to control women to the extent of having the right to their wombs?

No, what is beyond me is that you think that all transwomen have ill intentions. And no man has a "right" to a womb. Suggesting that when the medical technology is available all women will be forced to donate their eggs and uterus to transwomen is utterly idiotic and is designed to fuel fear and hatred.

This is potentially an amazing medical advance that could enable many people (mostly women) to have children who couldn't have them before. That is a wonderful thing. But sure, instead of celebrating that, let's make a snarky thread bashing transwomen, god knows there aren't enough of those on mumsnet

Are the police coming round to your door demanding you hand over your uterus and ovaries, OP? No? Didn't think so. So women being "expected" to donate those organs is a bit hyperbolic, don't you think?

Any excuse for a trans bash, I guess.