If women are expected to donate eggs and a uterus, men should donate their penis and testicles?

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I see from the comments here people are happy for women alive and dead to donate, if that's ok then why aren't transmen being offered the same primary sex organs?

Is what's good enough for the cervix haver is good enough for the ejaculator?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6685681/Leading-British-surgeon-calls-transgender-women-life-changing-womb-transplants.html

But trans women are women. So it will work - dont be so bigoted.

Yes literal violence, fake stats, most oppressed and all that.

If transwomen are women, what are they transitioning from?

They aren't though, so a moot question I guess.

Of course Sackrifice you are correct. They are just updated better versions of women. So of course it will work.

it’s been a while since we had a trans bashing thread on the main boards. Why not just fuck off back to FWR where most have it hidden and don’t need to see your bullshit postings.

And “cervix haver”? What bloody offensive language. Have reported the thread btw but if you’re on the topic of uterus donation, a woman gave birth recently due to having been donated a uterus. She took anti rejection drugs and then when the baby was born the uterus was removed again. So it’s literally not going to happen that trans women are just going to be given a uterus for life because it’s not even on the radar of possibility.

As for opt out organ donation meaning they can literally take anything, I will be opting out on the basis that I wish my family to make the ultimate decision and this is where people become confused/have not taken account of the facts. Even if you have opt out, your next of kin still have the ultimate say in whether your organs are donated.

It is very disturbing how poorly nhs funds are distributed.

It really is especially when you think about the ­"thousands of people waiting longer and longer in pain and anxiety for an ­operation, with huge risks their health will deteriorate further." www.itv.com/news/2018-12-30/almost-70-000-nhs-ops-cancelled-due-to-lack-of-staff-beds-or-equipment/

In UK , operations get cancelled, elderly people die on hospital trolleys in hospital corridoors, people can't have certain medications to treat cancer and other medical condions, IVF gets denied because its all too expensive yet we now have a leading british surgeon who wants to chuck money at transgender womb transplants.

Priorities? Either the NHS has money or it doesn't and if it don't then transgender womb transplants shouldn't be going ahead.

And “cervix haver”? What bloody offensive language.

Tell it to cancer research UK, it has come from their literature.

But trans women are women. So it will work - dont be so bigoted

I can't tell if this poster is being sarcastic or not!

It is interesting that all of the talk around transgender reproduction (Lily Madigan, Labour Women's Officer claiming they can get pregnant etc) always focuses on transwomen having the ability to get pregnant (sorry but 😂) and never on transmen being able to produce sperm. The later seems much more possible than the former tbh, although let's face it, both are ridiculous.

And “cervix haver”? What bloody offensive language

You're right of course .

And many women objected to it - myself included. But it was deemed more inclusive ( less offensive to some) by CRUK than the word women.

Nice publicity for the surgeon, though. On a side note, I believe surrogate births use genetic material from at least one parent. If this insane experiment comes to pass, who will the genetic parent be? Not Mummy, as she has no eggs. So a donated egg, then. Maybe from other Mummy, if a same sex couple. They would need some sperm from somewhere. Unless the Mummy transitioned after puberty and was able to store sperm, she will not be genetically related to the baby AT ALL, just a bloody expensive surrogate. What am I not seeing?

Inner voice, "cervix haver" is what some TRA's call women. It's so its inclusive of men

I absolutely agree with you that it's offensive.

As I recollect it was transphobic to object to the use of “cervix haver”

it’s been a while since we had a trans bashing thread on the main boards. Why not just fuck off back to FWR where most have it hidden and don’t need to see your bullshit postings.

Hear hear!

Inner voice, "cervix haver" is what some TRA's call women. It's so its inclusive of men

Surely it's so it's inclusive of trans men?

I wouldn't want my eggs donated to anyone, to potentially make children that are genetically mine after I am dead.

That is all sorts of wrong hard no from me.

This plastic surgeon is making ridiculous statements to generate publicity. I would be surprised if they can ever get a male to sustain a pregnancy (I mean a dicky-male, not a modern cunty male there have been some of those in the news for having babies which is just weird).

Having said that, (male) medical science has been looking for an awful long time for ways to take the female out of the babies process, having never really trusted us with it, in terms of whose it is, or actually the whole process. Like with formula milk , the interactions between the woman and the child inside her are not taken into account properly or anywhere near fully understood. (Male) medical science sees us as simply a gestator, a womb, a sack or incubator, this view of pregnancy is supported by the new language and practices around surrogacy where the woman who carries a child that is not genetically hers Is deemed to have no connection to it at all which is clearly rubbish. The idea that genetics are all is a very male perspective, again. It misses that of course a woman that carried a baby, shares her blood nutrition emotional states with it and all it knows is her heartbeat, does in fact (obviously) have a connection to the baby.

"Inner voice, "cervix haver" is what some TRA's call women. It's so its inclusive of men

Surely it's so it's inclusive of trans men?"

It's said to be inclusive of trans men because that sounds better
But actually it's because connecting female body parts to females is excluding transwomen e.g. FGM

Dear God. Thank goodness my uterus is too old and shrivelled to be of any use to anyone.

I was once on the organ donation list. I later decided to remove myself

You took yourself off the donor list so that a man wouldn't get your womb?
What about all the lives you would save?

I'll give my organs to whoever needs/wants them. If one life is saved I don't care where they end up. I'll be dead.

A penis transplant from a cadaver may work better than carving up an arm to construct a skin “penis” however I doubt that a female body could produce sperm and even if it could I’m not sure how the mechanism of ejeculation would be “hooked up”. How would you program the brain to produce the right kind of chemical and muscle responses?

As for uteruses in males. Never going to happen. To even try would be the height of unethical medicine because you would be experimenting of fetuses.

Women can opt out of donating, so I've nothing against the idea in principle

Personally - back when I was young enough for those parts to be working ! - I would have opted out of donating to anyone, man or woman,
because I wouldn't have wished my uterus & eggs to be used to produce kids about whose circumstances I would know nothing, e.g. if they would be treated well.

It would only be from pre-menopausal women, so not that many potential donors die in time,
especially from causes that don't preclude donation, such as cancer-

Just so long as it's not on the NHS, which hasn't enough resources to treat genuinely ill people properly

Oh and the term "cervix-haver" is disgraceful, yet another attempted erasure of actual women,

When this term is used for medical screening, many women who don't speak English well, or don't know their anatomy, could miss out on potentially life-saving screening

You took yourself off the donor list so that a man wouldn't get your womb?

No, I came off about ten years ago for other reasons. Your attempt to guilt trip me would make you feel very foolish if you knew why I made my decision.

I doubt very much if uterus donation could be made to work for men though,.

Maybe more practical would be to work on artifical organs, which at least have the potential in future to be sophisticated enough to cope with being in a man's body.
They could be designed from scratch.

Maybe in a century or two the tech would be there. Nowhere near atm.

I just love that it’s a male doctor saying that men have a right to use women’s bodies (as usual) in some kind of Frankenstein enterprise. Of course, it’s only a matter of time before they can grow a uterus in a lab and women can be dispensed with completely.
It’s so fucked. And if you dare to say anything or have reservations you are immediately slapped with a label and told to shut up. By men, in whatever form they fancy taking.

Well I could see the point of replacing a penis or testicles lost through injury, say. That is only replacing what should be there already, and would be correctly deemed a transplant. Putting a uterus into a male would in fact be an implant, as it is not replacing anything missing.

In case anyone on the thread is worried, you could just opt out of donating particular organs rather than totally leaving the organ donor list.